Episode 39 – He

We are back, folks! This week we explore the back streets of New York City with He.

We want to thank Mike Mann for all of his brilliant work on the new site!

Also thanks to the amazing Troy Sterling Nies for his providing his beautiful music…

And thank you Andrew Leman for being The Voice of the HPLLP.

Next week: In the Vault and The Descendant!

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  • Daniel on

    FYI- Your link in iTunes appears to be broken. Great show, keep up the good work!

  • pk on

    Executive summary: The Spirit of Genocide Past narrowly prevents lonely racist from becoming the companion to Dr. Who’s xenophobic cos-playing evil twin. Racist consoles self with clam chowder.

  • Regus on

    Welcome back guys! I subscribe to the podcast using the RSS link at the bottom of the page, and that doesn’t seem to be updating.

  • hppodcraft on

    We’re having some issues with the feed and we’re working on it!

    Please bare with us!

  • Steve on

    You moved to the UK just to empathise with HP in his NY sojourn?
    Talking of HP have you tried his sauce? which is big news in England-more famous than his books, probably.

  • Reber Clark on

    Another fine podcast! What else could we ask for? The fantastic music of Troy Sterling Nies, the incomparable Andrew Leman, and a transatlantic discussion amazingly wrought by talented minds and hands. Great job guys and I look forward to the site and ‘cast developments to come!

  • Peter Etherington on

    Hello, chaps. Through iTunes, the subscribe button doesn’t work for your podcast. It appears in my podcast list in iTunes, but when I try and Updatre Podcast, an exclamation mark appears next to the podcast title, and nothing downloads.

  • steve on

    Ok-seriously this time. In this podcast you’re passing over what attracts a lot of people to HPL-sure there’s a lot of ignorant racism here, but, like you say, it’s a bile more directed towards people who know how to have fun and enjoy life, and the sense of superiority is really desperate clinging on to what HPL perceives as some kind of superiority (i.e. the white, blue-eyed bullshit he references).
    His alienation from modern life is what connects him to the grand Modernists like Eliot, Woolf & Joyce only he’s a bit more clumsy in the way he expresses it. Yes, he’s a great SF/ horror writer, but he’s also operating in a Modernist milieu from which he also feels alienated. It’s that alienation, or ‘cosmic horror’, as people recognise, that identifies him as a writer, and in this story his motivations are pretty obvious which makes it, for all its biliousness, a key text in the Lovecraft ouvre.

  • Rage on

    Hi Chris welcome to England, and not just any old England Yorkshire!!
    This link might come in handy 🙂

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/voices2005/glossary/glossary.shtml

    When I first came to England I though a Shag was a type of carpet, so be prepared mate!

    Regarding the pod cast: I hate the NY HPL stories they are just vile BUT I kind of understand why HPL went all Third Reich. This is a guy living with old aunts and his mum in a small protected environment, then BAM he is in this big metropolis and he just fell to bits. The self deluding grandeur of an upper class dying family could go two ways either he embrace it or as HPL did hide.

    What would have happened if he went native , joined jewish clubs got to know the locals?

    I got a feeling he be packing horror in writing in for good , get in to the hat industry…

    Talking about not so good stories , I think you should do some Cthulhu HPL and mates Weird tales pod casts

    Well I had suffer reading August Delerth so I demand a pod cast , if you thought the Street was bad you are in for a treat

  • J.B. Lee on

    As a kid, reading this stuff for the first time, a lot of Lovecraft’s racism got under the radar simply through naivete. I had no idea the yellow men were ASIANS, for instance; I saw them as some sort of monster folks, just like the ESQUIMAUX of “Polaris”. But those days are over, and I can recognize the stench when I smell it. This story holds together better, PLOT-wise, than “Red Hook,” but its xenophobic venom is a lot worse.

    As for “In the Vault;” not a “Tales from the Crypt” but a “Vault of Horror”, appropriately enough. Dec. 1950 issue, art by Johnny Craig, with a few changes and a new, punning title: “Fitting Punishment.” But it’s definitely based on the Lovecraft tale. And that will be that till next week…

  • Old Man Parker on

    What HE said!

  • Elderac on

    Good to hear you again. Because of the way the show was cast, possibly using Skype, the voices sound a bit different, so I’ll have to adjust to the new voices.

    Although the story had a few interesting bits, if I feel a need to read a good Lovecraft story, I’ll read the Music of Erich Zann instead. Actually pretty much anything instead.

    Maybe not the Street or Red Hook, but there are a lot of others.

    Elderac

  • patrick on

    Long time lurker, first time commenter

    Just to second Daniel above, He is not showing on Itunes. (Redhook, no.38 is the last one there).

    Congrats on the new home.

  • Amy on

    Long time lurker, first time commenter

    Just to second Daniel above, He is not showing on Itunes. (Redhook, no.38 is the last one there).

    Congrats on the new home.

  • mcglothlin.13 on

    Another politically correct commentary on Lovecraft! It would be nice if we could just address Lovecraft’s literary works as such instead of pointing to them as failed contemporary social commentaries. But it seems that Chad and (especially) Chris must continually return to, and highlight in bold, what all mature Lovecraft fans already know and despise. Seriously, these sort of drawn out discussions on Lovecraft’s views, in light of our contemporary sensibilities, is becoming old hat. Sure you should comment on it when it arises, but why dwell on it? To what purpose? Do you really think any of your listeners are closet KKK or white supremacist members? Please, give it a rest!

  • Art on

    Something definately seems to be messed up with iTunes. My current subscription has a little notification next to it telling me http://blog.hppodcraft.com/podcasts-only/rss2.aspx cannot be found on the server (going there does indeed result in a 404). If I look on the iTunbes podcast directory I see two listings, the second of which is presumably the new one, but neither feed has the latest podcast on it.

    Or what the last guy said…

  • Art on

    Adding the second feed to iTunes fails – if I right clickit it tells me it has the URL “http://www.hppodcraft.com/podcasts/” – I’m assuming http://hppodcraft.com/?feed=rss2 is what it should be?

  • Art on

    (And stupid iTunes should allow me to just add the correct URL. Grrr.)

  • wus on

    I always listen to your show while driving to work. Great to have you back. Best regards..

  • tbob on

    I hope you guys find an HPL story you like soon. It’s felt like the past few episodes your enthusiasm for this podcast is dwindling.

  • Phil on

    I think we’ll all be happy to “Escape from New York” … at least from HPL’s New York that is 🙂

  • Art on

    On the plus side, all that messing about with iTunes meant that I found the Small World podcast interview, which was fun.

  • Simon on

    Long time lurker, first time commenter

    Just to second Daniel above, He is not showing on Itunes. (Redhook, no.38 is the last one there).

    Congrats on the new home.

  • Mark Tauber on

    I would never have guessed that there is a such fan base for Lovecraft. Way back when I first read his stories (pre-Cambrian era) I thought only geeks like me relished what literary critics dismissed as pedantic and derivative of Poe. But in spite of all his failings as an author, Lovecraft paints compelling word pictures that draw you in. A pity that he died so young. Imagine what he might have done later, especially if Hollywood ever got ahold of him. Anyway. Thanks a million for just a fantastic show and please keep it going.

  • Dennis on

    I always listen to your show while driving to work. Great to have you back. Best regards..

  • Teresa on

    Hello Chris

    Welcome to England, I hope you enjoy living in the UK.

    I live in the north of England, in Leeds with my partner and we love the show. If you need any HPP help please get in touch. We’re in a band so have a studio if you need any help with audio or effects, we’d love to get involved.

    Or if you want to meet new friends and hang out please get in touch.

    All the best

    Teresa xxxx
    contact@zeitgeistzero.com

  • hppodcraft on

    Sorry for the iTunes stuff. We’re sort of floundering around at the moment, trying to figure out how to fix it. If any of you out there are experts on RSS feeds and iTunes, we need your help!

    to mcglothlin.13, I know you’re bugged by the reaction to the racist stuff, but it just that. My reaction. You may have haven’t gotten over it, but it still surprises me. Especially when it’s a bad story, it makes that stuff stand out even more. Fortunately, we’ve past most of the heavy-duty racist stuff, so it’s fairly smooth sailing from here.

    Thanks for all the cool comments!

  • hppodcraft on

    You can directly subscribe to http://www.hppodcraft.com/?feed=podcast.

    the listed version of that podcast is looking at the wrong URL, and iTunes doesn’t let you edit it. We’re trying to figure out a fix for this in the meantime; it would all be so much easier if iTunes let you modify your feed settings!

  • Herr Rau on

    Long-time listener, first comment: great shows, made me re-read a lot of Lovecraft. I’m also a Dunsany fan and would like to point out that he’s actually pronounced with stress on the second, long syllable – DunsAAny, a stress-pattern just as in Dunleary (English name of Irish town Dún Laoghaire).

  • Stephen Cullis on

    It does indeed seem that something is wrong with the iTunes link..I cant get the cast..I will try deleting and resubbing

  • Sarah on

    FYI- Your link in iTunes appears to be broken. Great show, keep up the good work!

  • Cheryl on

    If you go to iTunes and click Advanced and then Subscribe to Podcast a box pops up. Paste the new URL (http://hppodcraft.com/?feed=podcast) into the box and iTunes will update with the latest podcast. It will also have the option to upload all of the previous podcasts if you would prefer to have everything in one feed.

  • Tony on

    Long-time listener, first comment: great shows, made me re-read a lot of Lovecraft. I’m also a Dunsany fan and would like to point out that he’s actually pronounced with stress on the second, long syllable – DunsAAny, a stress-pattern just as in Dunleary (English name of Irish town Dún Laoghaire).

  • Old Man Parker on

    So, HPL looked down on the “artist” types in New York.
    Guess what? He had the RIGHT to.
    Who became the greatest american Horror writer? Oh yeah, it was Lovecraft.
    Really. He had the right to feel superior to the posers who fill coffee shops and talk the talk, but can’t produce. HPL is the real deal.

  • Mattachine on

    Unlike the listener who thought you dwelled too long on the “politically correct” commentary, I felt that you guys were using weasel words to describe HPL as xenophobic rather than xenophobic and racist. I am an HPL fan, but the man was racist, and some of his stories have extreme examples of that.

    I am a school teacher with students of all racial/ethnic backgrounds, and I cannot just recommend HPL’s writings to my students without a lot of warnings, explanations, and clarifications.

  • robert kosten on

    the old rss feed is still stuck on episode 38…

  • Ed on

    I actually think that you guys completely misinterpreted the opening section of this story. Lovecraft was absolutely a horrible racist, but in the opening sections of this paragraph he was not specifically complaining about race. Before you begin to scream, let me explain.

    In the third paragraph he wasn’t being bigoted against foreigners par se, he was being biased against the city. He was, of course, a bigot, but in this case he wasn’t speaking of them. See the following excerpt:

    “hardened faces and narrow eyes, shrewd strangers without dreams and without kinship to the scenes about them”

    In this sentence, he’s talking about a far greater hatred then his hatred of foreigners, the hatred of urbanization, industrialization and city life. He’s expressing a belief about how living in the modern city can harden the heart, make you ignore the horrible things which go on about you, and make you numb to the monotonous horror of working endlessly without any prospect for escaping that fast-pasted lifestyle for the sort of laid-back, slower lifestyle Lovecraft preferred.

    Cities to some extent are almost always a source of horror in Lovecraft, and the subject of some of his most vivid imagery. In this case, the horrible bigotry he displayed in the “Red Hook” story taints any possible reading of this line, so the meaning he seems to have intended is lost in the face of how it instead sounds. He’s not saying that have no dreams; he’s saying that those who dwell within cities have no dreams.

  • bar1scorpio on

    Gotta agree with “ed” above… I dont’ see the racism in the opening.

    What I interpret it as is how people who’ve spent all their life in urban areas will appear hostile, cynical, jaded and cold-hearted to a wide-eyed country bumpkin like the narrator. They’re people that have been ground down their entire lives, milling about day-to-day, the sort of people who would, say, watch a person get beaten to death, or run over, or have a heart attack right outside the window of the restaurant they were eating at, and not bother to call the police.

    Continued to his comments on London & Paris, both cities have major efforts to maintain a historic ‘flavor’ to their cities, even in downtown areas. New York, even then, had a nasty habit of ripping down any structure more than a few decades old in favor of putting up a new skyscraper.

    (Eddie Izzard actually has a bit on one of his albums where he makes fun of Americans on that one.)

    As for the ending city, it almost sounds like a shortform scare in “Buck Rogers & The Hun Airlords”. Asians in Zeppelins conquering NY. Really, the Yellow Scare was a pretty real thing for a while during the time, and reflected in pulp literature. (Hey, decade before, the Japanese had just kicked the Russian’s butts, and were looking to go Imperial.)

  • Vivek on

    I was relistening to this episode last night, and I think Lovecraft actually had a premonition… Of modern day Vegas. Lights, a pyramid, planes everywhere, garish colors and lots of clubs. And to someone who has never heard of drum machines or synthesizers, he would have to attribute the throbbing bass to kettle drums and the repetitive melodies to assorted flutes or wind instruments.

    And don’t get me started on all those slant-eyed tourists! 🙂

    On a more serious note, this is one of a few “anti-city” stories. He has many more “anti-village” stories where the relative isolation is what permits evil things to go unchallenged. “The Picture In the House”, and “Shadow Over Innsmouth” for example.

  • Sean on

    Hi I’ve recently discovered HPPodcraft and I’m really enjoying it. It’s made me realise that I’ve not actually read any Lovecraft for maybe 25 years! So I’m reading all the stories again and listening to the podcast after each one.

    You say in this podcast that you don’t see what happens to the old guy, that the protagonist just falls through the floor. The old guy actually shrivels up until he’s just a blackened, withered head somehow crawling across the floor spitting and cursing. The many eyed blob engulfs him and then the floor collapses.

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  • DerSpeigel on

    Yeah I don’t think this is a racist story.
    This is a OMG cities are awful let me get back to pastoral townships.
    It seems like this is the origin point of Thomas Ligotti(probably misspelled that) writing style.

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