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Author Topic: Episode 94 - The Horror in the Museum  (Read 2200 times)
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« on: October 20, 2011, 09:10:57 AM »

So there I was this morning, behind the wheel of my '98 Dodge Dakota, wishing the Podcraft wasn't on a two-week hiatus so that I could listen to the new episode on the way to work. Instead I had to settle for talk radio like a punk. Then I get to work and what do I see on the front page but a new episode!

"Curses!" I say. "If only I had checked before leaving my hovel!" Alas, I now have to wait until this evening to listen. But you guys can talk about it or whatever.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 10:38:42 AM »

I felt like it was a pretty good one. I'm curious to what folks think.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 12:31:36 PM »

This story is amongst my favorites. It is creepy and straight forward, and well-done. I love the idea of the really horrible monster just being carted around and shown off to the unsuspecting populace, and then getting shut down for being a bit TOO horrible. It makes me wonder just what is in it for the monster.

As for the actual episode, I think that was done pretty well, too. I like the fact that we actually got to hear from Brooke on this episode and that she actually took part in the discussion, as opposed to just setting down some facts and leaving it to Chad and Chris. I'm hoping for more episodes like this one.

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 01:12:13 PM »

Instant Brooke fan here Smiley I hope she's on again. And an awesome episode. I've yet to read this one, but will change that soon.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 06:15:46 PM »

The show was great; really amusing. It also sounded more informative and intelligent... though that might merely have been the British and Australian additions. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 08:01:45 AM »

Sich and Chard made such charming cut-ups I almost forgot how unenjoyable this story had been for me.

I looked on the internet for "Madame Demers." Here's the autopsy of my research (for less than an half-hour I believe):

1. Demers can be spelt all manner of ways and can even be De la Mare.
2. The highest concentration of Demers in the United States is in Massachusetts, there are a large number in Quebec and there are branches in Louisiana. The name is thought to have originated in Normandy and there is a Demer River in Belgium.
3. Lovecraft was likely making reference to a little known "Demers Affaire":

Le 13 juin dernier, jour de la Fete-Dieu, on decouvrait dans une maison de la rue Notre-Dame, sur le territore de Saint-Henri, le corps d'une femme a demi-vetue, etendu sur le sol de sa chambre, portant au cou deux entailles epouvantables.

Au priemier examen, on crut a un suicide. Tout plaidait en faveur d'une mort volontaire : le bon ordre qui regnait dans l'appartement, le silence qui avait enveloppe le drame, la taciturnite habituelle de la defunte.

L'impression premiere fut, pour tout le monde, que la femme Demers, dans un moment d'aberration communa a toutes les jeunes femmes nevropathiques, avait mis fin a ses jours en se coupant la gorge.

Mais lorsque l'autorite judiciare, representee par le coroner MacMahon, eut constate l'absence de tout instrument susceptible d'avoir servi a la desesperee pour l'accomplissment de son acte ; lorsque ce magistrat fut oblige de reconnaitre que la femme n'avait pu derober aux recherches de la justice l'instrument meurtrier en le faisant disparaitre, sout en le jetant par la fenetre, soit en le plongeant dans la fosse d'aisances, soit de tout autre facon, il fallut bien ecarter l'hypothese d'un suicide et ne voir qu'un meurtre abominable dans cetter mysterieuse affaire.

La victime, en effet, reposait sur le sol inonde de sang, mais nulle trace sanglante n'etait apparente dans le voisinage du cadavre. Preuve sans replique que la malheureuse n'avait pu faire un mouvement apres avoir recu les coups qui avaient entraine sa mort.

Il y avait donc un criminel, et un criminel que l'on ne pouvait rechercher parmi les vagabonds ou les bandits qui penetrent dans les maisons pour voler, fut-ce au prix d'un meurtre, car on ne put constater la disparition d'aucun objet, meme de minime valeur. ...

From the preface by M. Henri Roullaud to Plaidoyer de M. O. Desmarais dans l'Affaire de Napoleon Demers. Report stenographique de A. St. Martin, stenographe officiel, Montreal 1896. Printed by Louis Belair.

4. While looking, wikipedia gave a false-positive and misdirected me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoléon,_Prince_Imperial (I think because one of his relatives' titles was Queen of the Sea or something, not sure), this being the young Napoleon IV who fled to the UK and died in South Africa during a war against the Zulus there (the Zulu War of 1879). There is an asteroid named jointly after him and The Little Prince, called Petit-Prince. It is the first known asteroid moon of another asteroid. But the interesting part was here:

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On the morning of June 1, the troop set out, earlier than intended, and without the full escort, largely owing to Louis's impatience. Led by Carey, the scouts rode deeper into Zululand. Without Harrison or Buller present to restrain him, the Prince took command from Carey, even though the latter had seniority. At noon the troop was halted at a temporarily deserted kraal while Louis and Carey made some sketches of the terrain, and used part of the thatch to make a fire. No lookout was posted. As they were preparing to leave, about 40 Zulus fired upon them and rushed toward them screaming uSuthu!. The Prince's horse dashed off before he could mount, the Prince clinging to a holster on the saddle--after about a hundred yards a strap broke, and the Prince fell beneath his horse and his right arm was trampled. He leapt up, drawing his revolver with his left hand, and started to run--but the Zulus could run faster. The Prince was speared in the thigh but pulled the assegai from his wound. As he turned and fired on his pursuers, another assegai struck his left shoulder. The Prince tried to fight on, using the assegai he had pulled from his leg, but, weakened by his wounds, he sank to the ground and was overwhelmed; when recovered, his body had eighteen assegai wounds.

(i.e., "One day ye'll hear them calling their father's name on top of Sobuza's kraal..", although u-Suthu seems half Yog S. minus what would be the prefix *yog- in Bantu languages plus Cthulhu minus the suffix *-lhu in some proto-Amharic type language. Then again, maybe Lovecraft really meant to write Yog-Suffix, perhaps, or Yog-Sussex, but kept with his first rendering instead??? Smiley )

Oh, and I almost forget, the alleged Demers family crest:

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 08:32:06 AM »

yeah, I'd also come to the same conclusion - there is a newspaper report that I assume refers to the same Demers trial at:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=36&dat=18950930&id=49cDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZSkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4627,261776

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 10:09:25 AM »

yeah, I'd also come to the same conclusion - there is a newspaper report that I assume refers to the same Demers trial at:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=36&dat=18950930&id=49cDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZSkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4627,261776



I think we nailed it. Something like this would be sensation and fade over time, and was probably still current when HPL wrote the story, at least in his mind.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 11:04:43 AM »

Awesome! The HPLLP forums have officially contributed to Lovecraftian scholarship!

Anyway, I was finally able to listen, and it was another fine episode. I couldn't understand a lot of what Brooke was saying on account of her wacky moon accent (like "Australia" is a real place), but what I could make out was informative and funny. I'd love for her to come back on future episodes.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 11:19:03 AM »

Brooke was raging good, imho. If she wants to believe she lives in some place called "Australia" it doesn't bother me an awful lot. Plus she knows how to make empty dogs, so she's putting in the hours and deserves the college credit (professors take note). Poor little fellers. I sort of imagine a half-yelp, half-POP! sound, merging into a leaky innertube sound that almost sounds like a whimper fading out to nothingness. I bet the museum has a whole room filled with dog collars and tags, a silent tribute to the dead.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 02:43:18 PM »

You got your YSDC in my HPPodcraft.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 03:54:33 PM »

I can't believe the guys didn't mention the film adaptation with Ben Stiller.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 04:35:19 PM »

Great episode!

I first read this story only a year ago myself, in the aforementioned "The Horror in the Museum and Other Revisions," where I've also found all the other team-ups I've read. And this was definitely one of the strongest and most enjoyable in the collection. I was initially thrown by the wax museum setting - going in, I expected a more traditional natural history setting a la The Relic - but found the whole wax thing supremely creepy. Plus all the wax effigies of Mythos beasties were frickin' awesome.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »

This is by far one of my favorite HPL stories of all time. So absurd but creepy and filled with monsters. Gnoph-Kehs, Dimensional Shamblers, Night-Gaunts, Rhan-Tegoth, Chaugnar Faugn, Cthulhu, Tsathaggua, Azathoth (with HPL's description which varies slightly from CAS's) not to mention K'Thun and Noth-Yidick!

I loved this episode. Brooke was informative and funny and you guys nailed it as usual. I can't wait for The Challenge From Beyond!
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 01:53:04 PM »

After The Man of Stone, I had low expectations for this story, so I was pleasantly surprised by it. It definitely had a Vincent Price vibe to it. Alas, most wax museums I have seen are a MAJOR disappointment, Madame Tussand's Washington, D.C. location is a complete tourist trap. Why can't I find one with a Dimensional Shambler in it???
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