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Author Topic: Episode 53 - The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath - Part 4  (Read 3668 times)
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 01:14:02 PM »

Ha! Nice post!

The "jigsaw puzzle vs. doodle" part really clinches it for me.  If we were talking about any other story, I might expect some of the correspondences you're talking about. But this is the "Dream-Quest," and HPL does seem to have been in full "doodle mode" for this one.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2010, 05:13:34 AM »

Ha! Nice post!

The "jigsaw puzzle vs. doodle" part really clinches it for me.  If we were talking about any other story, I might expect some of the correspondences you're talking about. But this is the "Dream-Quest," and HPL does seem to have been in full "doodle mode" for this one.


Well thank you kindly  Smiley
It's true, but I didn't know he was a-doodling when I read it last year and in the context* I was reading it links with Yog-Sothoth were very much on my mind. Hence this time around it's still influencing how I'm thinking.


*The context, btw, was that I was reading all the Randolph Carter stories looking for HPL references to Yog-Sothoth as a plot device in a play-by-mail game I was considering running. For my 40th birthday in 2009 I'd written and run a 4-day Steampunk time travel Live Action Role Playing event involving Victorian secret agents, pirates, Greek gods and some classic Dungeons & Dragons monsters such as gelatinous cubes. It went down rather well and there were calls for a sequel. Phase 2 (set to take place this time next year) will feature Victorian detectives performing séances on Mars (red-tinted brass goggles on the sand dunes of South Wales providing the Martian scenery). In the time leading up to it I planned to do a play-by-mail RPG set aboard a Victorian space-liner bound for Mars beset by void-dwelling Lovecraftian horrors and running foul of Yog-Sothoth. With the big YS being the god of time and space it seemed like time travellers on a space ship would be bound to attract his attention!  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 01:27:48 PM »

Holy crap, that sounds awesome!

It's times like this that I'm tempted to acquire some friends and take up this roleplaying thing I keep hearing about.  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2010, 05:31:51 AM »

 Grin

I did a lot of RPGs in my teens and twenties and had a lot of fun. That's how I discovered Lovecraft. I read the rulebooks before I read any of his stories!
I don't have the time or, to be honest, much inclination to play the 'tabletop' games like Dungeons & Dragons or Call of Cthulhu these days, but the birthday weekender was a lot of fun to write and (with a lot of help) run. The spin-offs are getting my imagination going and I really want to involve some subtle HPL stuff in there.
As I'm in danger of polluting this thread with too much Cthulhu gaming talk I'll hush up at this point!  Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 09:29:47 AM »

I'm not even sure, for example, that the Nyarlathotep of "The Dream-Quest" is the same entity as the Nyarlathotep mentioned in "The Haunter of the Dark," or that the creature in "Dagon" necessarily has anything to do with the Dagon-worshipers in "Shadow Over Innsmouth."

My viewpoint of Dagon in both the original story and the Dagon worshipers in The Shadow Over Innsmouth is that they were not necessarily worshiping the "actual" Dagon, but the closest "human" approximation of these creatures that they've experienced. After all, Dagon is an actual mythical creature long before Lovecraft ever wrote about it, and it is often said that The Call of Cthulhu is an extensive rewrite/reworking of the short story of Dagon. Granted, in The Shadow Over Innsmouth, the Esoteric order worships "Father Dagon," "Mother Hydra," and Cthulhu (to an admittedly lesser extent), but I always got the impression that "Father Dagon" and "Mother Hydra" were just "names" attached by the Esoteric order while they were still human enough to bear some resemblance to humans before they joined the Deep Ones. I never felt that those were actually what those beings were called - I don't think they ever said, "I am Father Dagon!"

As for Nyarlathotep, I would still say that while it may not be the same entity, it fulfills the same function among the various stories... Messenger, Deceiver. Even if it isn't supposed to be the same character, the function of the character seems to be the same.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 11:53:54 AM »

Once again, great episode guys. I have to say though that I had an entirely different understanding of the ending from what you presented. It did not seem to me like the Great Ones returned because Carter showed up in their city. My understanding is that he never made it that far. Nyarlathotep never needed Carter to bring the Great Ones back - he was able to snatch them back to Kadath using his own power. He only told Carter all that nonsense in order to trick him into going to Azathoth. At least, that's what I got out of it. What does everyone else think?

Enjoy your time off! We'll all be anxiously awaiting the next episode!

Honestly, I really have no idea what was going on most of this story. If you told me I missed a part about a clown on a tricycle, I would believe it.

But the reason we thought what we did is because of the last line...

"taunted insolently the mild gods of earth whom he had snatched abruptly from their scented revels in the marvellous sunset city."

Which kind of says that the old gods were in the sunset city. Now whether by Carter coming there made them go back... I don't know. It's all crazy, man.

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2010, 03:26:06 PM »

But you people are all missing the Eskimo connection!!! See, it all begins...

Just kidding. I think. It's there, in Inganok, but not so pronounced.

I'm sure the sunset city is Providence, though. Dunsany had some tales like this about fantastic underpinnings of everyday reality, in some series about a drunk guy. I never read them, just about them. Not very well known apparently.

Hey, this is sort of off-the-wall but couldn't the character in the yellow silk mask be a generic evil YELLOW HAT Buddhist? Red hat vs. yellow hat and all that...


"Thanks and bye, night gaunts! Maybe we'll see you next year! Say hi to the ghouls for us! Don't forget the cat alliance!"


"Hey Mr. Gug--or should I say MR. PIG?!?--leave some for everyone else!"





Dagon, Dragon? Dog-gone!
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 05:11:50 PM »

And now for something completely different. I was just doing a very HPL unrelated search on YouTube to find a specific live performance from my favorite band when I stumbled onto this nonsense: Adventure Time - Scarabs

I don't know what the cartoon is (I'm assuming it's called Adventure Time because the song is Scarabs by Karnivool), but it reminded me of Dream Quest for all of its incredible journeying and tentacled blobular weirdness. In all likelyhood there's no real relationship between Lovecraft and this cartoon, but I'm going to look into it anyways. Enjoy.

**Don't turn up your speakers! The video starts out quiet but becomes very loud very fast.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2010, 06:57:38 PM »

Thanks, Chad & Chris; I'm almost caught up with your episodes now.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2010, 04:35:43 PM »

exelent work guys, exelent work, i loved this saga Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2011, 04:29:57 PM »

The cats from Saturn had better look out for the biker mice from Mars Grin
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2011, 11:35:06 PM »

The cats from Saturn had better look out for the biker mice from Mars Grin

Umm, are you actually referring to this episode? Biker Mice From Mars 2006 Episode 11 – Surfer Cats of Saturn I wonder if there is a hidden HPL reference here...
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2011, 03:34:29 AM »

I was more into Bucky O' Hair Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 01:44:32 PM »

I'm tentative about posting to this topic, since it's so old, and of course due to this warning in red:

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But I thought since it was directly related, I'd post here?
Mod feel free to move my post if you've got to.

I love to listen to the podcast while I draw (I could listen to Andrew Leman's voice all day). While listening to the DreamQuest episodes, I started to doodle little dog-faced Ghouls in the margins of my work, and on scrap papers here and there. Before I knew it, and idea had taken root. Soon, I was calling my friend Toren Atkinson to borrow some DreamLand maps. Now I find myself hip-deep, working on a sprawling Graphic Novel, from the point of view of the Ghouls....and it's your fault!
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I'll post some drawings in the coming weeks.
(MODS, should I start an new thread for that?)
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 02:04:28 PM »

Dude, you BETTER post some pictures after that kind of build-up. Wink

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