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Author Topic: Pluto, the Kuiper belt, Yuggoth, and you  (Read 1737 times)
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 07:52:10 AM »

I agree that Pluto works just fine as Yuggoth, as suggested in TWiD. In fact I think it's a perfect example of HPL's genius for weaving concepts from cutting-edge scientific research into his fiction. Consider: Lovecraft started writing the story in February 1930; Pluto's discovery was announced on March 13 of that year; it took him until September to finish the story, which was published the following year. But the action in the story takes place mainly in the years 1927-28, and Lovecraft incorporated Yuggoth's ("Pluto's") 'discovery' into this story:

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Their main immediate abode is a still undiscovered and almost lightless planet at the very edge of our solar system - beyond Neptune, and the ninth in distance from the sun. It is, as we have inferred, the object mystically hinted at as "Yuggoth" in certain ancient and forbidden writings; and it will soon be the scene of a strange focussing of thought upon our world in an effort to facilitate mental rapport. I would not be surprised if astronomers become sufficiently sensitive to these thought-currents to discover Yuggoth when the Outer Ones wish them to do so.

He even mentions how "hideously appropriate" it is that the planet should have been named Pluto, for the god of the underworld (the Roman version of Hades, of course).

HPL is so good at this, I love how his talk of inconceivable locations "beyond angled space" is clearly inspired by general relativity, and how the Mi-Go are made of matter that "vibrates at a different frequency" from terrestrial matter comes from quantum mechanics and what was, at the time, absolutely cutting-edge ideas in physics about the nature of atoms. Never mind all the stuff about the Earth's deep geological past. I don't think there are many science fiction authors who get quite as much real, cutting-edge science into their writing as Lovecraft did in his later stories.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 07:59:47 AM »

But Pluto is small enought to be an artificial planet.  It seems to me that for the time in which the story was written the Fungi would have been aware of the limitations of Earth's technology and they could simply park a kind of geo-organic spacecraft in solar orbit out there at the edge of the solar system that no one would notice.  This also might also explain why Neptune and Pluto "swap" orbits from time-to-time.  This process of coming in a bit closer helps hold Pluto in it's orbit - something the Fungi would have been aware of launching their "device" - rather like how we slingshot our spacecraft around planets to increase their velocity.  As to Charon?  Well, it took us so long to spot it because the Fungi only just added it more recently. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 08:23:36 AM »

But Pluto is small enought to be an artificial planet. 

Hahaha, what?? Exactly what is the official upper limit to the size of an "artificial planet"? Plz show workings. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 08:43:37 AM »

But Pluto is small enought to be an artificial planet. 

Hahaha, what?? Exactly what is the official upper limit to the size of an "artificial planet"? Plz show workings. Wink

Well, it stands to reason that the mass of an artificial planet would need to be LESS than that of the object from which the component materials was derived.  For instance, if we Earthlings were to build our own artificial planet from resources taken from earth, it would need to be MUCH smaller than the earth itself - even allowing for a good chunk of the planet to be open space.  Therefore it's unlikely you're going to have an artificial planet in a solar system like ours bigger than ANY of the "real" planets. 

The Kuiper belt, itself, provides the perfect place to harvest materials to make such an artificial planet - chiefly iron and water from asteroids.  Further, by using materials from inside our solar system rather than from outside, such a planet could be created without changing the gravitational alignment of the solar system. 
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 05:47:13 PM »

Is there anything in TWiD about Pluto/Yuggoth being artificial? I thought it was mentioned just as a handy stopping-off point (and presumably naturally occurring, like the other planets) for the Mi-Go, on their journeys from wherever-it-is they ultimately come from?
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 05:59:54 PM »

By some wonderful coincidence, today's Featured Article on Wikipedia is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_beyond_Neptune! Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2012, 10:04:47 PM »

Is there anything in TWiD about Pluto/Yuggoth being artificial? I thought it was mentioned just as a handy stopping-off point (and presumably naturally occurring, like the other planets) for the Mi-Go, on their journeys from wherever-it-is they ultimately come from?

No, I just like it like that!!
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 07:09:23 AM »

Is there anything in TWiD about Pluto/Yuggoth being artificial? I thought it was mentioned just as a handy stopping-off point (and presumably naturally occurring, like the other planets) for the Mi-Go, on their journeys from wherever-it-is they ultimately come from?

No, I just like it like that!!

Fair enough, and I guess artificial planets would hardly be the weirdest idea HPL ever had...
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