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Author Topic: Episode 17 / Reading 3 - The Picture in the House  (Read 4687 times)
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2011, 02:07:00 PM »

LOL, you say that, but where do you think Rule 34 came from?

A place even more unutterably horrible than the farthest realm s of the blind idiot-gods - 4-Chan!  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2011, 02:32:22 AM »

LOL, you say that, but where do you think Rule 34 came from?

A place even more unutterably horrible than the farthest realm s of the blind idiot-gods - 4-Chan!  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Anonymous 4chan wgah'nagl fhtagn.

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« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2011, 11:26:26 PM »

I love this story. Easily one of my favorites, except for that last line.

Yeah, I've never been certain if Lovecraft just wrote himself into a corner or if he was trying to make some kind of point.  Either way, it's a lousy ending.


...but rather, the Old Man's dialog is attempting to sound out a fellow traveler, seeing if our humble narrator is to be dinner, or dinner guest, and that's what makes it feel authentic.

That's what I've always though, too.  After all, I'd imagine one doesn't get to be a 200 year old cannibal without being very careful about one's meals.

It feels an awful lot like how a closeted gay man of the era might try to sound out and make a pass at another man he's not sure about, which brings to mind the discussion of HPL's relation to the modernists from a few episodes earlier, and makes me wonder if there isn't a contemporary piece of gay fiction that this could be directly correlated with from the time.

Did the Old Man want to eat the Narrator - or did he want to "eat" the Narrator?   Hmmm.  I dunno if there's such a thing as early 1920s gay fiction with which to compare it.  I'd be kinda surprised it there were.

Again, I prefer the "dreaming house" viewpoint expressed earlier in this thread. Perhaps if Lovecraft had placed more on the little ditty about what happens to the narrator after the lighting bolt, it would make it better
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2012, 03:42:07 PM »

Wow.  I missed this thread.  I didn't realize the analysis was as sophisticated as it was.  Nonetheless, I'll leave this because it puts a minimum number on the old cannibal's age.


Don't know if anyone else caught this, or has since refuted it. The Picture in the House was set in 1896.  So, the Old Man cannibal is at least one hundred thirty eight years old.

 “Oh, thet Afriky book? Cap’n Ebenezer Holt traded me thet in ’sixty-eight—him as was kilt in the war.”  

 He's not referring to the Civil War, but the Revolutionary, War because as our narrator goes on to say:

"Something about the name of Ebenezer Holt caused me to look up sharply. I had encountered it in my genealogical work, but not in any record since the Revolution."

  “As I says, ’tis queer haow picters sets ye thinkin’. D’ye know, young Sir, I’m right sot on this un here. Arter I got the book off Eb I uster look at it a lot, especial when I’d heerd Passon Clark rant o’ Sundays in his big wig.

What parson in the 19th century wore a wig when preaching?  Again, wigs were worn in the 18th century during pre-revolutionary times, and for a short while after.  Now assuming the Old Man was twenty when he traded Captain Ebenezer for the book, in 1768, in 1896, he would have to be at least 138 years old.  

 Which is just one more reason western society's blanket condemnation of cannibalism, needs to be rethought from first principles... ah, but perhaps I've said too much...
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« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012, 08:43:53 AM »

Damn mej, that was pretty helpful. I completely missed that when i was filling out the "The Picture in the House" entry in my timeline. thanks a ton.

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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2012, 08:46:53 AM »

The irony, of course being that everything we now know about human cannibalism indicates it's actually more likely to shorten your life via prion disease.  A couple of anthropologists are now suggesting this was a major cause of the decline of Neanderthals.   
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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2012, 03:23:29 PM »

Wow.  I missed this thread.  I didn't realize the analysis was as sophisticated as it was.  Nonetheless, I'll leave this because it puts a minimum number on the old cannibal's age.


Don't know if anyone else caught this, or has since refuted it. The Picture in the House was set in 1896.  So, the Old Man cannibal is at least one hundred thirty eight years old.

 “Oh, thet Afriky book? Cap’n Ebenezer Holt traded me thet in ’sixty-eight—him as was kilt in the war.”  

 He's not referring to the Civil War, but the Revolutionary, War because as our narrator goes on to say:

"Something about the name of Ebenezer Holt caused me to look up sharply. I had encountered it in my genealogical work, but not in any record since the Revolution."

  “As I says, ’tis queer haow picters sets ye thinkin’. D’ye know, young Sir, I’m right sot on this un here. Arter I got the book off Eb I uster look at it a lot, especial when I’d heerd Passon Clark rant o’ Sundays in his big wig.

What parson in the 19th century wore a wig when preaching?  Again, wigs were worn in the 18th century during pre-revolutionary times, and for a short while after.  Now assuming the Old Man was twenty when he traded Captain Ebenezer for the book, in 1768, in 1896, he would have to be at least 138 years old.  

 Which is just one more reason western society's blanket condemnation of cannibalism, needs to be rethought from first principles... ah, but perhaps I've said too much...


Ha! Miscount! Ye Olde Backwoods Wyrdo would be 148 (Now that `s 100 extra nerdpoints for me!) according to your calculation. But right, one does the maths almost automatically for it makes you all curious how old that guy really is. I think you are absolutely right in assuming he took up his peculiar dining habits at a young age thus undergoing a queerly different kind of aging rather than preserving himself at an already matured state .
I do also like the curwenized talk in that part, complete with wigs and other anachronisims.

@T. Kelly Lee: Do you have a link or something? This sounds a bit silly to me. Were Neanderthals both cannibals and too stupid to heat their meal up? Are there any more prions in human flesh than normal?
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« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2012, 03:55:28 PM »

Here's a basic overview on Neanderthals and prion disease from Anthropology.net.  We actually know that a number of human populations suffer prion disease from cannibalism NOW - it's rather like mad cow.

http://anthropology.net/2008/02/29/did-neandertal-die-off-because-of-cannibalism-and-transmissible-spongiform-encephalopathies/

I first heard this theory put forth in a book called Dinner with a Cannibal. 
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« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2012, 04:06:43 PM »

Ah, you mean that Kuru thing in Papua New Guinea, right? Found some nice stuff to read, now tonight will be less boring.
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