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Author Topic: Episode 38 - The Horror at Red Hook  (Read 11543 times)
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« on: April 22, 2010, 05:00:29 AM »

A crappy story. If you synopsize the story, it actually sounds like it would be pretty cool. Just not well written.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 01:39:44 PM »

Agreed. I think it's stories like this that helped foster the negative views of Lovercraft's other work.
It's hard to sell the guy as a legit and talented writer when he pens such obviously amatuerish
stuff as Red Hook. I tend to view Lovecraft like a lot of self-taught, and highly succesful comic
artists I know. They can really crank out some great stuff, but because they didn't receive any
formal instruction, they sometimes lack fundamentals and it peaks out now and again in their work.
Lovecraft might have made it into mainstream literary acceptence sooner, rather than later, if
he had cleaned up some of his work. We may never know. But at least he made it, and we can
read the works we enjoy, and leave those less noteworthy to the pile of literary mediocrity and
erstwhile Literary podcast critics. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 02:23:29 PM »

It might be Lovecraft's weakest story. I had no idea what was going on a quarter of the time.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 02:33:31 PM »

I like it, and i wonder how many would have liked it if it did not have those "non pc" passages ?
Absolutely not one of HPs worst work if you ask me. I guess the HPL-community would like to flog me for thinking that it is much better than for example "The Outsider".

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 03:57:40 PM »

I like it, and i wonder how many would have liked it if it did not have those "non pc" passages ?
Absolutely not one of HPs worst work if you ask me. I guess the HPL-community would like to flog me for thinking that it is much better than for example "The Outsider".

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No, it wouldn't have made any difference without the racist passages. As Lovecraft put it himself it's "rather long and rambling, and I don't think it is very good."
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2010, 04:56:49 PM »

I like it, and i wonder how many would have liked it if it did not have those "non pc" passages ?
Absolutely not one of HPs worst work if you ask me. I guess the HPL-community would like to flog me for thinking that it is much better than for example "The Outsider".

But hey, that is me Smiley  Cool
No, it wouldn't have made any difference without the racist passages. As Lovecraft put it himself it's "rather long and rambling, and I don't think it is very good."

I would not have put too much into what ol HPL said..as he had a habit of downgrading most of his own work. Even when trying to sell/publish it....
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 11:39:22 PM »

I like it, and i wonder how many would have liked it if it did not have those "non pc" passages ?
Absolutely not one of HPs worst work if you ask me. I guess the HPL-community would like to flog me for thinking that it is much better than for example "The Outsider".

But hey, that is me Smiley  Cool
No, it wouldn't have made any difference without the racist passages. As Lovecraft put it himself it's "rather long and rambling, and I don't think it is very good."

I would not have put too much into what ol HPL said..as he had a habit of downgrading most of his own work. Even when trying to sell/publish it....
I know, but I agree with him this time.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 10:44:25 AM »

I was try to do a screen play of this one. I gave up on it! Not because it's a bad story. I was try to show how N.Y.C was full of racism at the time. I just could not do it with out sounding like I might be one my self! Still the story is full of great little bits of horror!
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 08:03:08 PM »

There were bits I liked about it, but there weren't nearly enough dames for it to be a hardbioled story, nor did the hero, Malone, actually do much.  You could adapt it, but it'd need major revisions.  The notations in the Library of America version actually has some really interesting notes about who and what he was writing about in this one, beyond what the hosts discussed.

But yeah, needed more cat & mouse between Malone and Suydam, and some more female flesh in there (mebbe Lillith in human form as Suydam's 'secretary'?)
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 01:01:10 AM »

God, I would love to write that story if I thought I could do it justice.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 01:58:08 PM »

Great villian, though. 

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I would have almost rather had the story told from Robert Suydam's point of view.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 02:09:23 PM »

bar1scorpio: Know who could have done the story you suggested? Robert E. Howard.  If Bob Howard had written "Red Hook" instead of HPL, it would almost certainly have rocked.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 03:36:30 PM »

I think part of that is just - Police work is something well out of HPL's realm of expertise, or interest.  And the style of summation, kinda condenses so much what must have been interaction.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 09:54:48 PM »

The problem is most of his characters are Marry Sue's
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2010, 07:28:07 AM »

Well, Author Avatars, at least.  But far too timorous, irresolute, and dyspeptic to be Mary Sues.  (Marry Sues?  Does that involve weddings?)  She seem to be only callow witnesses to the horrors beyond.  In stories where the good guys win, characters like Prof. Armitage seems to be the kind of person he looks up to, not the person he is.
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