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« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2011, 06:08:01 PM »

Harry S. is Spirit Lake and Spirit Lake is Harry S. RIP Spirit Lake.

I think the question Julie poses goes back to Lovecraft's own agoraphobic reclusive tendencies. It probably wouldn't have seemed unreasonable to him. And yes, I know, he went to Quebec and Florida. Once. And he probably also dreamed of taking a walk around Greenwich Village at night, but thought better of it and wrote a story about it instead. imho.

OH. And the human agents in Whisperer.... Aren't they the prototypes of the Men in Black of UFOlogy? Lovecraft did it in fiction before the "first modern" case, the Maury Island incident... but then again, that makes sense, because Ray Palmer was publishing "modern" UFO stories and even flying saucer covers on his magazine before Maury, Arnold or the New Mexico incidents. Lovecraft even has a sort of "man in black" in another, more Keelian, guise, in the Dreams in the Witch-House, the Black Man. And the emotionless, masque-like faces Otto Bender and the others have reported... sounds a lot like a man Lovecraft met on a walk he never took in Greenwich Village one night.
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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2011, 12:12:20 PM »

Aren't HPL's reference to a mysterious "black man" intended to reflect Nyarlathotep? 

Though I could totally see him tricked out in the shades going gleefully mad with the "flashy-thingee"
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« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2011, 12:19:43 PM »

I was about to say that the "Black Man" is something from older witch legends that Lovecraft chose to identify with Mr. Hotep, but come to think of it, I have absolutely no evidence for that. Googling "witch cult black man" just pulls up references to Lovecraft.

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« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »

I've been Necronomiconned!

LOL!
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« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2011, 02:52:42 PM »


LOL=m²~~!!!!

Actually the Black Man (non-Negroid racial features) comes up in Nathaniel Hawthorne's story whose name I've forgotten but it's something like Old Jack. It's pretty obviously the Evil Guy. It is some witchcraft tradition, the witches were supposed to make contact with the Black Man (not African) and have sex with him (even though he's not African, really).

John Keel points out that a lot of the UFO phenomena go back to fairy myths and so on. The Men in Black probably go back to the Black Man of witchcraft, although I don't know if Keel wrote that up or not.

Julie, it's interesting you brought up the Tommy Lee film. The Men in Black have a much deeper meme-history than you might gather from the film alone, being present at the Dahl household after the first modern UFO encounter on the Kitsap Peninsula in 1947, at Maury Island (which isn't an island anymore), but predating that on radio: the announcer for The Shadow was the Man in Black I think, and he popped up in other places on radio, perhaps in the pulps as well. It is interesting that you brought up the EDOM device (electronic dissolution of memory leading to "lost time"), because Lovecraft seems to have included something of that nature in The Evil Clergyman.

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« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2011, 06:23:18 PM »

Have been re-reading de Maupassant's The Horla, and it actually makes some interesting comments about being unable to leave the home - unable to get away.  I wonder how much of an influence this was on HPL's home-bound characters?
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« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2011, 11:29:34 PM »

Man in black... Hmm... Was Johnny Cash an incarnation of Nyarlathotep?
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2011, 10:21:05 AM »

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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2011, 01:10:29 PM »

I still hate that every unexplained incident in Lovecraft is put down to Nyarlathotep. For the love of Bengi, people, there ARE other monsters out there!

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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2011, 02:57:53 PM »

I've read The Witch-Cult in Western Europe and Murray mentions this black... non african dude quite alot. So yeah, it's totally Nyarlathotep, it's all real people!
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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2011, 04:41:15 PM »

it's all real people!

Well, duh. Wink

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« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2011, 04:48:49 PM »

I still hate that every unexplained incident in Lovecraft is put down to Nyarlathotep.

Hey, them's the rules:

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« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2011, 04:14:48 AM »

I fought the Law, and I won. --Nyarlathotep

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« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2011, 08:13:53 AM »

Congratulations, OlbBook! You have been selected (base solely on your inclusion of horrible Johnny Cash material) to be the next sacrifice to our great lord Cthulhu! Ia OldBook! I hope your journey of death and insanity through the outer void will give you time to think about all the madness and horror you have unleashed on this forum with your last post. Wink

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« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2011, 01:51:07 PM »

Nyarlathotep is my cage and my entertainment, I shall not want. Yea though I walk past Manson and Leary on my way to the license plate press, I shall not fear, for Nyarlathotep controls the horizontal. He controls the vertical.
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