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Author Topic: Episodes 77 - 83 ~ At the Mountains of Madness  (Read 12746 times)
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« Reply #150 on: July 13, 2011, 04:30:45 AM »

Old Book, have you read the Necronomicon by any chance?  Cheesy
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« Reply #151 on: July 13, 2011, 08:12:49 AM »

See, that's what I LIKE about Old Book: he may be a bit verbose, but reading his posts forces one to get smarter in order to understand them. He is kind of like a one-man forced learning curve. There are way too many stupid people in this world, and it's nice to see someone raising the bar.

And I like the idea of the Necronomicon being the connecting thread in HPL's universe. I absolutely LOVe "Heavy Metal" and the analogy is perfect for this topic.

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« Reply #152 on: July 14, 2011, 01:06:38 PM »

Jake and Bob, you are very kind. I need to rephrase what I said for kulain and Genus, for it was not clear.

"Much in the same way the orb connected the disparate narratives in the animated film Heavy Metal, yes."

This is a movie I saw once a long time ago. It's a collection of 4 different weird tales, strung together by having this glowing sphere float from one narrative to the next.

"Then posit a collection of near worlds, overlapping or conterminous, in a quantum dream flux of possibilities within certain bounds,"

Basically, imagine a collection of related alternate realities, near one another, nearly identical worlds where there probably is a Dunwich, an Arkham and a Boston, but not exactly alike. These will be your Lovecraft stories.

"and the Necronomicon swims through them as it wills, a sort of Shroedinger's porpoise, now it's real, now it's a seal,"

A theme in this grouping of alternate worlds is the Necronomicon. It's reality is fleeting at best, at worst you can get full access at the rare books room at Arkham U. It's reality in the collection of worlds that make up the H P Lovecraft set of stories and our world changes. At one point it is real, at another it's fictional. There can be different versions as well in different worlds, which brings up an important question: if one Necronomicon in one world is written in a way that contradicts that in another world, which should be considered the heretical version? You can't say, without saying which world is "realer." ("seal" was used because "unreal" or "irreal" seemed monotonous, since the reader would expect that, and there is the whole thing about sea creatures and the idea of a seal, as in a seal to a book or scroll, that is sort of interesting to toy with.)

"...cavorting in and out of reality creating subliminal name recognition like the vapor trail of a charged particle coursing through a cloud chamber."

It means the Necronomicon could be vaguely known in the collection of worlds making up the Lovecraft set of alternate worlds, and our own, but if you chart its course, you might lose other information, and it's hard to detect in any case, like certain subnuclear particles.

"That might explain a lot. In fact, the Necronomicon's non-reality could be a feint or cover, so that those who worship the Elder Ones and walk outside the gates go unmolested as harmless cranks."

This is the idea that the Necronomicon as a sort of agent across a number of alternate realities could act on its own behalf to protect itself by claiming or appearing not to exist. This brings up the thought that perhaps the people who believe the Simon Necronomicon aren't the dumbshits we all think they are.

""If you see the Necronomicon by the side of the road, kill it. With fire.""

Some weird thing I heard once, about how if you see the Buddha by the side of the road, kill him, because the Buddha you can see or kill or something isn't the real Buddha. This is an antedote for the idea the Simon Necronomicon worshippers are onto the truth, since if their Necronomicon can be burned it isn't the real thing.

I'm sorry to quote myself like this as if I had said something important and worth explaining. It was all just a joke, and I'm sorry if I became tedious.
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« Reply #153 on: July 14, 2011, 01:24:29 PM »

Oh, knock it off, Boo. The entry was neither monotonous nor trite. It was a good entry that was very worth reading. So buck up and post some more. Personally, I like a good brain sweat and that is why I come here (my own inane contributions aside).

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« Reply #154 on: July 14, 2011, 09:37:18 PM »

-snip-
Some weird thing I heard once, about how if you see the Buddha by the side of the road, kill him, because the Buddha you can see or kill or something isn't the real Buddha.
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Ah, I believe that this is a Koan.  Here's another:

The Subjugation of a Ghost

I remember that Heavy Metal movie as well...
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« Reply #155 on: July 15, 2011, 01:49:41 PM »

Today's needless trivia for the day; The green orb from Heavy Metal was called the Loc Nar Smiley
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« Reply #156 on: July 16, 2011, 07:47:25 AM »

Loc Nar, that's the one! Exactly! Which means something in Tibetan. Maybe.

On that koan ghost lady, ghosts are notoriously bad with numbers and counting. I think she just got bored and wandered off.
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« Reply #157 on: July 16, 2011, 11:53:35 AM »

Unlike vampires, who are obsessed with numbers and counting, clearly show by Chinese folklore and Sesame Street.
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« Reply #158 on: July 17, 2011, 07:36:32 AM »

Or the mummies in Turfan and Taklamakan, who were into music, which is a kind of mathematics, in a way. Some of the Tocharian mummies have black witches' hats too, which could lead to a sequel or two, if managed correctly.

You can usually shoo a ghost just by setting up a series of pebbles of decreasing size in a slightly curved line next to your bed or wherever they happen to come calling. It's the same principle as the Japanese bridges which turn a corner in mid-river. The ghosts just get lost. Probably wouldn't work on a Loc Nar though.
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« Reply #159 on: July 18, 2011, 11:10:45 AM »

Nothing works on the Loc nar except a scantily clad hot chick with no vocal chords and a bald riding bird. Period.

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« Reply #160 on: October 10, 2011, 11:55:57 PM »

After re-reading "The Dunwich Horror", "The Other Gods", "The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath", "At the Mountains of Madness", "Nyarlathotep", and "The Rats in the Walls", I finally made some connections and drawn conclusions that make a lot of sense... or madness. I have, in some small way, completed "the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein". Prepare to "go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age"! (And no, I've not got around to reading/listening to "The Call of Cthulhu" yet.

Why is Earth seemingly the center of a bunch of chaos and evil? Well, for one: that is the nature of the cosmos. Second, I still blame C. Tillinghast. However, I think I have made some good connections that makes sense of somethings. (And no, I do not assume this is an original idea... though that would be cool.) What is the Plateau of Leng but the seat of the gods (of Earth) via (Unknown) Kadath? While in the dreamlands it is in the north, it apparently resides in the waking world in the south (Antarctica). (Makes sense if the dreamland is an inverse of the waking world.) If so, then the Elder Things/Old Ones have-- err, had a shit-ton to fear from it. However, it is clear that the Mild Gods of Earth are protected/controlled by Nyarlathotep, the top dog (if not the only) of the Other Gods.

Now, some question why Nyarlathotep seems to be given specific aspects of Azathoth. Besides the reasons already given on the podcast (i.e. Lovecraft was working out his mythology), it makes sense that the soul of "the gigantic, tenebrous ultimate gods" reflects their essence. Just think of Yog-Sathoth, Azathoth, etc. and suddenly describing Nyarlathotep as "the mad faceless god, howls blindly to the piping of two amorphous idiot flute-players" makes a lot of sense. But why Earth? Why are the "grinning caverns of earth’s centre" home to him? Well, as the Other Gods seem to want to "drag the earth off to some nameless place for some nameless purpose", seeing as how "the Elder Things wished to strip it and drag it away from the solar system and cosmos of matter into some other plane or phase of entity from which it had once fallen", it makes sense that his presence would spark this. Could it be that it is his will and influence that inspires the whole damn thing?

Granted, these "Elder Things" are not the Old Ones but "some terrible elder race of beings from another dimension". This could be the Cthulhu spawn or the Mi-Go, but considering how they both act towards the Earth I am inclined to think the Other Gods (since they, too, are from other dimensions... though I am unsure if one can consider them of the same race). Well, if the Earth did fall from planes or phases of entity distinct from our own, or at least it is the representative/avatar/incarnation of what fell, then it makes sense that Nyarlathotep center on and in it. Perhaps it is his home and he is merely trying to get it back to its original location. At any rate, this perspective makes the notions of an Azathoth-like Nyarlathotep more credible and in line with the mythos. (I also think the discrepancies can easily be viewed as the natural progression of myth cycles as they would evolve naturally.)

It makes a lot of sense in the world of Lovecraft. While the center of everything is where Azathoth lives, Earth has its own demons. Why the Mild Gods of Earth? Well, think of how live started with the byproducts of the Old One's; it would seem they are more byproducts of what Earth is (or was... or shall be again) and as such Nyarlathotep keeps a tight grip on his creations, intended or otherwise like the Olds Ones over Soggoths and bothersome Earth life. This take on Nyarlathotep also provides some explanations for his role(s) as the Black Man of the Woods, the "mighty messenger" of the Mi-Go, and Carter-centric divinity (okay, the last one is a stretch). Why is Nyarlathotep in the center of the Earth? Well, for most of Earth life it makes sense that most of the evil it encounters is from within; in this case literally. That said, he likely enjoys basking... or brooding in the light of a gibbous moon and so needs a surface outpost. As the Old Ones were the first to invade his domain, he set up shop right next to them in the heart of the holy of holies.

I could keep going but I think you get my point.
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« Reply #161 on: October 11, 2011, 03:35:58 PM »

I get your point, I think. Two cosmic fall myths for comparison: Sophia (not really the John Lash version, but i fyou can't find anything better, that works, too) and Da'ath, the fallen central kind of sephira of the tree of life of the kabbalah.

Now if the secret of gravity is actually acceleration in four-dimensional space, due to an expanding-universe model or something else, "the center of the earth" might simply mean quintessence. See "the fire inherent in all matter" in "The Thought of Our Great Power" in the Nag Hammadi/Chenoboskion codices.

The idea that chaos is the basis of reality informs certain shamanic and modern occult traditions. Personally I picture the mad piping and hebaphrenic laughter at the center of the Pleroma as a vibrating rubber chicken making motorcycle sounds. This is perhaps merely my own way of coping.
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« Reply #162 on: November 02, 2011, 03:34:07 PM »

Mountains of Madness: A Journey through Antarctica
by John Long

From the foreward by Tom Bowden:

Long, a scientist-romantic, is a keen student of Antarctic writing and his quotations from men like Byrd, Cherry-Garrard, Mawson,
Scott and Shackleton add lustre to this outstanding account. By coincidence, the party landed near the mythical location chosen by novelist H. P. Lovecraft for his classic Gothic story, At the Mountains of Madness, where a geological expedition stumbles across a strange and hidden civilisation. While blizzard-bound in their tents, the four expeditioners passed the time by reading Lovecraft out loud. Their isolation engendered their own moments of madness, courageously described by Long.

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There is a clue in one of H.P. Lovecraft’s quotes selected by John Long from At the Mountains of Madness:

Half-paralysed with terror though we were, there was nevertheless fanned within us a blazing flame of awe and curiosity which triumphed in the end.

Tim Bowden is the author of two books on Antarctica, Antarctica and Back in Sixty Days and The Silence Calling: Australians in Antarctica 1947–97.

From the preface by John Long:

During the three months I spent in Antarctica on the 1991/92 expedition, every evening my colleagues and I took turns at reading aloud a few pages of H.P. Lovecraft’s classic gothic story, At the Mountains of Madness, first published in 1931. In that book an expedition to the remote wilds of Antarctica finds evidence of an incredibly ancient civilisation still inhabited by strange beings. At the time of writing it, Lovecraft based his hidden civilisation in a totally remote, unexplored location inland from the Transantarctic Mountains at 76° South. This position (which incidentally Lovecraft cites with an exact latitude and longitude) coincided with being directly inland towards the polar plateau from the mountains where we were based near the end of our long sledging journey. Most of the Cook Mountains had never before been investigated on the ground, so we were the first humans to scale several of these lofty peaks, to explore for geological treasures and to discover many new fossil sites there.

Yet, always, each evening, we would anxiously await to hear more of Lovecraft’s gradually unnerving tale. Recently I pulled out my old maps from the field trip and saw that I had annotated the northern-most mountain range in the Cook Mountains as the ‘Mountains of Madness’. The name has no official status. It was our little joke for the expedition, yet somehow it has stuck in the back of my mind.

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Chapter 1

A strange and hostile land

I am forced into speech because men of science have refused to follow my advice without knowing why. It is altogether against
my will that I tell my reasons for opposing this contemplated invasion of the antarctic—with its vast fossil hunt and its wholesale
boring and melting of the ancient ice caps (H.P. Lovecraft).

Thus begins the epic horror story At the Mountains of Madness, a twisted tale of an Antarctic fossil-hunting expedition that went horribly wrong, culminating in the death or madness of most of the expeditioners. At the time this was being written, in 1930, Sir Douglas Mawson was on his last Antarctic expedition, the British–Australian–New Zealand Antarctic Research Expedition (BANZARE 1929–31), cruising and mapping much of the unseen coastline of this vast, largely unknown continent. In those days it would not have seemed so mysterious for a continent the size of Antarctica to hold many scientific secrets, perhaps even the vestigial traces of lost civilisations or the fossil remains of higher life forms not found anywhere else on the planet,
as Lovecraft’s doomed explorers eventually discovered. The reality was simple in 1931: an incredibly small portion of the Antarctic
landmass had been explored at all, and virtually nothing was known of its geology or its palaeontology.

Most people, quite rightly, think of Antarctica as a land of hostility, an almost alien and unfriendly landscape. Mawson dubbed it the ‘home of the blizzard’ in his epic book of the same name. Vaughan Williams’ musical score for the 1948 classic film Scott of the Antarctic (which became his Sinfonia Antarctica in 1953) used haunting, lilting tones to paint a musical portrait of a cruel, inhuman Antarctica; his refrains are somewhat similar to how one imagines the mythological sirens’ songs that were said to lure sailors to their deaths.

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In 1931 the concept of ‘plate tectonics’ was indeed a controversial and much misunderstood theory that few scientists took seriously. The German geographer Alfred Wegener had published his book on the subject in the 1920s but he never gained acceptance in the scientific circles of his day. In Lovecraft’s novel At the Mountains of Madness, the summary presented is indeed a futuristic, yet uncannily correct, view of the situation as we understand it today. On finding the maps and charts of the ‘Ancient Ones’, the civilisation that is discovered existing in the remote part of the continent, the expedition’s scientist (also the narrator) notes how Antarctica was depicted as being the centre of a once gigantic supercontinent:

As I have said, the hypothesis of Taylor, Wegener and Joly that all continents are fragments of an original antarctic land mass which cracked from centrifugal force and drifted apart over a technically viscous lower surface—an hypothesis suggested by such things as the complementary outlines of Africa and South America, and the way the great mountain chains are rolled and shoved up—receives striking support from this uncanny source.

Antarctica is also the most recent of the continents to be discovered, explored and inhabited by us humans. Over 2000 years ago the Greek philosopher Aristotle hinted at the early existence of an unseen southern continent because he saw a need to balance out the mass of the large northern hemisphere continents. As the northern landmasses were under the star Arktos, so Aristotle postulated that a great southern land must exist, which he dubbed Antarktos. Ptolemy (150AD), the Egyptian geographer, went further by agreeing that this southern land, which he referred to as terra australis incognita, must exist, and furthermore that it would be fertile and populated. He claimed that it was cut off from the rest of the world by a region of fire and some others went on to say that it was inhabited by fearful monsters. Such ideas naturally discouraged further exploration to the Antarctic region for many centuries to come.

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Chapter 22

On the snout of the Alligator

It was so much simpler—so much more normal—to lay everything to an outbreak of madness on the part of some of Lake’s party. From the look of things that demon wind must have been enough to drive any man mad in the midst of this centre of all earthly mystery and desolation (H.P. Lovecraft).

This passage is one that sums up well how Antarctic explorers often feel about the wind, which is enough to drive a person to the brink of insanity after weeks of incessant howling gales. For us, the wind was both evil and a blessing, at times uncomfortably cold and cruel, yet at other times blasting away the snow covering our precious fossil-bearing rocks, exposing the timeless treasures we had ventured down to this inhuman landscape to find.

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Chapter 26

At the crucible of shark evolution

. . . the inevitable inference was that in this part of the world there had been a remarkable and unique degree of continuity between the life of over three hundred million years ago and that of only thirty million years ago (H.P. Lovecraft).

In this passage from At the Mountains of Madness Lovecraft suggested that the ancient life of Antarctica may have remained unchanged for millions of years, perhaps unaffected by the several major extinction events that nicely carve up our geological time scale into the neat blocks we call ‘periods’. As absurd as this notion now is in the light of many new discoveries of fossils from Antarctica, which indeed testify that extinction events did occur globally, Antarctica (as the hub of Gondwana) may well have been a crucible for the evolutionary radiation of certain vertebrate groups. In this respect, if the earliest true sharks, called ‘neoselachians’, did originate here, as this chapter suggests, then Lovecraft’s fictional hypothesis is not far from reality with respect to this one group. Sharks may well have had an evolutionary explosion in ancient Gondwana, reaching a rapid peak of evolution, then remaining unchanged for many hundreds of millions of years. Sharks only recently disappeared from the seas around Antarctica when the freezing polar conditions set in.

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Chapter 28

Base blues and arrival home in Australia

It is now my terrible duty to amplify this account by filling in the merciful blanks with what we really saw in the hidden transmontane world—hints of the revelations which have finally driven Danforth to a nervous collapse (H.P. Lovecraft).

Madness, so they say, is just a relative degree of sanity. After a long spell out in the wilds of Antarctica, one’s sanity can be strained from the pressure of constant danger, the long hours of working and from the endless days of boredom spent tent bound when it is bad. Although none of us went ‘mad’ in the traditional sense, it would be true to say that my emotions and feelings were definitely heightened, sitting far above their normal background levels.

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Chapter 29

So much for the afterglow

Perhaps we were mad—for have I not said those horrible peaks were mountains of madness? But I think I can detect something of the same spirit—albeit in a less extreme form—in the men who stalk deadly beasts through African jungles to photograph them or study their habits. Half paralysed with terror though we were, there was nevertheless fanned within us a blazing flame of awe and curiosity which triumphed in the end (H.P. Lovecraft).

Lovecraft writes in this passage about how the spirit of investigation, the flames of curiosity, eventually triumphed over the fear and adversity of their ill-fated expedition. I can empathise with his words, as the passion to research our new finds would eventually triumph over the lingering adverse effects of our expedition. However, straight after my journey through the mountains of madness, my first task was to settle back to normal life once again.

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Select references: historical and literary

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Lovecraft, H.P. At the Mountains of Madness, and other novels of terror, Panther books, Granada Publishing, UK, 1968

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Index

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Lovecraft, H.P. 1, 4, 58, 92, 104, 151, 195, 210, 216

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(Note: I haven't actually read this book, but I did see an episode of New Scooby Doo Mysteries today where a fan of professor Hatecraft scares the gang by dressing up with a live octopus on his head, a la Cthulhu. In the end Harlan Ellison and Hatecraft walk off the set hugging. I think I was impressed. I'm not certain.)

(EDIT: I saw it again today. It was episode 12, "Shrieking Madness," in Scooby Doo Mysteries something or other. This was sort of an origin episode: Freddy Jones, Jr., Velma, Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby are all new college students and don't know each other. Harlan Ellison lambasts Professor Hatecraft's work as at best a fraud. A fan gets upset and puts an octopus on his head, but also gets some sort of kinetic powers that are never explained, and goes on a rampage. The names have been changed: both Cthulhu and the Necronomicon are renamed Char-Gar-Gothakon. Hatecraft is forced to go public and admit he made the entire mythos up, it's all make-believe. The fan with the octopus head breaks down. Eventually Cthulhu is pulled up hanging off the side of a building from Hatecraft's legs, who is holding on to someone else's legs for dear life. Ellison and Hatecraft plan a new project together called "A Boy and His Shoggoth" or something like that. Hatecraft suggests a forgetable alternative title.)
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« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2011, 08:34:29 AM »

Ok, for those of you who get intimidated by OldBook's massive posts and occasionally skip them (as i am guilty of), try this: listen to the Sinfonia Antartica while you read this article. The symphony is mentioned in the article itself, and I que'd it up to listen to when I got to the reference. It really synced up well with the article and provided some interesting accompaniment while reading. Very cool article, by the way, OldBook. Thanks for posting it. Wink

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« Reply #164 on: November 11, 2011, 03:11:21 PM »

Thank you, Bob. I'm pleased you enjoyed the music. See, when it gets slow on the forum, I tend to try to post whatever strikes me as interesting, in order to encourage others. That last one wasn't an article per se, only a compendium of extracts.

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