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Author Topic: Episodes 104 -- 107: The Shadow Out of Time  (Read 6950 times)
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« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2012, 08:17:34 AM »

Yeah, but that scaly look doesn't translate into uneven lighting on earth. I think Lovecraft just wanted to use an adjective that gave the reader a bit of a nauseated feeling.

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That was my guess, simply to suggest a 'sickly' sensation.

You are probably right at that, Jape. It reads well, but doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny.

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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2012, 11:12:33 AM »

Is it simply sickly-looking?

Probably that, yeah. A pale, greenish tinge like a frog's belly. Maybe the shadows and craters on the lunar surface could be said to look like flaking, scaly skin.

I think the idea is that the pale moonlight is necrotic rather than romantic, the latter being how we're often inclined to think of it. I don't think it applies to the texture, only to the quality of the light.
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« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2012, 12:19:03 PM »

So here's something sad. After listening to the last SOOT episode, I dug out my Barnes & Noble H.P. Lovecraft: The Complete Fiction (which is bulky enough, I think, to qualify as a "tome"), and you know what the next story is after SOOT?

"The Haunter of the Dark."

There are 7 more collaborations to go, but only one more "pure" Lovecraft story...
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« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2012, 12:23:22 PM »

So here's something sad. After listening to the last SOOT episode, I dug out my Barnes & Noble H.P. Lovecraft: The Complete Fiction (which is bulky enough, I think, to qualify as a "tome"), and you know what the next story is after SOOT?

"The Haunter of the Dark."

There are 7 more collaborations to go, but only one more "pure" Lovecraft story...

 Cry I know...

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« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2012, 09:10:44 PM »

I am so late on this, but there's an issue of Planetary (the comic by Warren Ellis and John Cassaday) wherein Uluru, that big ol' rock in Australia, awakens, transforming into a giant man who then proceeds to wreck some black helicopters and the evil Mr. Fantastic flying in one.

That's what I thought of when Buddai was mentioned.
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« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2012, 04:26:41 PM »

This is a great story, and the episodes related to it were equally enjoyable.  If there is one story in the whole of Lovecraft's writing that deserves the term 'cosmic horror' then I think The Shadow Out of Time is that story.  I'm not saying it's my favourite story, but when I first read it I was in awe of the scope of the piece.

I apologies if this has already been asked, but has anybody else played the videogame 'Call of Cthulhu - Dark Corners of the Earth'?  That game featured the Yithians.  What's the consensus on the portrayal of the Yithians in that game, both aesthetically and in the way they behave.

I'll just end by saying how marvellous I think the Dark Adventure Radio Theatre adaptation of this story is.
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« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2012, 05:12:07 PM »

So is Buddai the mean old guy you don't want to wake up or piss off whom even the rugose cones fear, whom they contain with trap doors over the dark basalt basements, whose slightly tapering black stone towers lie in ruin all over the place? Did he roll over in his sleep and disturb the newer architecture with the ornate curvilinear designs and the concave and convex surfaces for the protagonist to discover in disarray aeons later? What disturbed him? Was it the prying dreams of the protagonist?
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« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2012, 07:49:41 AM »

OK, I think I've sorted it out. Lovecraft used Mathew's "Eaglehawk and Crow" rather than the other book which mentions Buddai, "Queensland, Australia." I'll make it as brief as possible, and there will be pictures.

First, compare Lovecraft's coordinates supplied in the letter within the text which also mentions Buddai:

22° 3' 14" South Latitude, 125° 0' 39" East Longitude

with geographical coordinates located around page 128 in "Eaglehawk" in the chapter on aborigine art and partying down:

15° 57' __" South Latitude, 125° 9' __" East Longitude
15° 40' __" South Latitude, 125° 36' __" East Longitude

These two locations are where somewhat mysterious cave paintings were discovered. Plot it on a map and it looks like this:



Notice you can draw pretty much a straight line from "Pnakotus" to one of the caves. "Eaglehawk" deals with diffusions of peoples into Australia pretty much along straight lines. Of course the real ancient diffusions were much earlier than Mathew could've dreamt, and Bruce Chatwin's "Songlines" will make it clear there was quite a bit of backtracking and walkabout over the aeons.

Here's some of what Mathews says about the paintings in question:

"The most notable of the cave-paintings are those found by Captain Grey (the late Sir George Grey), in March 1838, on the Glenelg River, near the north-west coast of Australia, in long. 125 9' E., lat. 15 57' S., and some near the same locality, by Mr. Joseph Bradshaw, in the beginning of 189 1, at Prince Regent River, in loug. 125 36' E., lat. 15 40' S., or some thirty-seven miles north-east of Grey's. ...

"Group III. contains a bright red figure rudely representing  the upper part of a human form. The head is surmounted by nine detached yellow rays. It has three arms or flippers, two red ones where arms would naturally be placed, and extending almost at right angles from the trunk ; the third arm is brown, it reaches upwards and outwards from the left side, and at its extremity is a skull coloured brown, with eye sockets and mouth left blank. The body is enlarged and rounded at the lower extremity, which rests on the back of a large serpent, the head of which rises and projects outwards on the left side of the main figure just under the death's head. The serpent's mouth is open, its eyes left blank, the head and neck are coloured yellow, the rest of the body a dark red, the colours meeting in a zigzag line with acute deep angles. In front of the rather amorphous red figure is a human figure without arms. This is of a brown colour, it stands bolt upright and on tiptoe, the feet reach a little lower than the body of the serpent, the head is within the head of the red figure, the latter forming a foil. The brown figure wears a head-dress, has a girdle round the waist, and broad bands or rings on the legs at the knees ; from both sides of the head, of the girdle, and of the leg bands, tassel-like ornaments are suspended similar to those already described, giving the appearance of being made of knotted twine, generally with three fringes at the knots, sometimes only one or two ends or fringes. These articles are all the figure wears. From the lower side of the solitary right arm, and from the throat of the serpent, there hang similar tassel ornaments of a dark brown colour. The greatest height of this painting is about 8 feet, the greatest width about 5 feet. ... "

Now compare that with the description in SOOT:

"The Great Race’s members were immense rugose cones ten feet high, and with head and other organs attached to foot-thick, distensible limbs spreading from the apexes. They spoke by the clicking or scraping of huge paws or claws attached to the end of two of their four limbs, and walked by the expansion and contraction of a viscous layer attached to their vast ten-foot bases. ...

"They seemed to be enormous iridescent cones, about ten feet high and ten feet wide at the base, and made up of some ridgy, scaly, semi-elastic matter. From their apexes projected four flexible, cylindrical members, each a foot thick, and of a ridgy substance like that of the cones themselves. These members were sometimes contracted almost to nothing, and sometimes extended to any distance up to about ten feet. Terminating two of them were enormous claws or nippers. At the end of a third were four red, trumpet-like appendages. The fourth terminated in an irregular yellowish globe some two feet in diameter and having three great dark eyes ranged along its central circumference. Surmounting this head were four slender grey stalks bearing flower-like appendages, whilst from its nether side dangled eight greenish antennae or tentacles. The great base of the central cone was fringed with a rubbery, grey substance which moved the whole entity through expansion and contraction. ...

"These objects moved intelligently around the great rooms, getting books from the shelves and taking them to the great tables, or vice versa, and sometimes writing diligently with a peculiar rod gripped in the greenish head-tentacles. The huge nippers were used in carrying books and in conversation—speech consisting of a kind of clicking and scraping. ... They commonly carried their head and its supporting member at the level of the cone top, although it was frequently raised or lowered. The other three great members tended to rest downward on the sides of the cone, contracted to about five feet each, when not in use."

Where Mathew has nine rays detached from the head, Lovecraft puts tentacles. Fair enough. The yellow snake head becomes the nippers, and the other head becomes yellow. Where Mathew sees three arms, Lovecraft makes it four, including now the snake head turned nipper at the end of another arm.

Mathew continues:

"The aborigines could give no satisfactory account of the paintings, but said they were pictures of the 'Nauries,' black evil spirits, the agents of all ill and of whom they were afraid. This ignorance as to the origin of the pictures goes to show that they must have been done at least a hundred years ago. ... As regards the 'Nauries,' Mr. Joseph Bradshaw informs me that 'the only religious ceremony practised by the Yuons (in Kimberley, north-west Australia) is an occasional corroboree in honour of Nari, of whom they cannot or will not give much information, but ascribe to him (or it) the creation of all things long ago.' The name Nauri may prove a means of obtaining further light upon the relation between the Sumatrans and the Australians of the north-west coast."

(Mathew convincingly shows that inscriptions on and around other cave paintings are in a known script and at least one of them refers to a word from Hinduism for a deity.)

Compare that with this from SOOT:

"There are some very old and half-forgotten tales of enormous underground huts of great stones, where passages lead down and down, and where horrible things have happened. The blackfellows claim that once some warriors, fleeing in battle, went down into one and never came back, but that frightful winds began to blow from the place soon after they went down. However, there usually isn’t much in what these natives say."

It's not a perfect fit, but one can trace some inspiration from the former inspiring the latter.

So without further ado, I will present the picture plate in question, showing the probable prototype of the Great Race conceived or discovered by Lovecraft. If you squint at it right, it looks like someone was struggling to make sense of a kangaroo, and made the tail into a snake, and imprisoned a human being in its chest. The original painting is in color, but the book-plate wasn't, and the quality is further reduced by google books. So, without any more dillydaddling, I give you ... The Great Race!


(Also, Mathew makes it clear in other passages that many aborigine languages use the same word for "head" and "hill," which means the bits about Buddai could refer to a specific hill somewhere.)



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« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2012, 12:19:52 PM »


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I spent a month or so in that part of Australia driving round the country clockwise and living in the bush in a tent. WA is approx the size of India yet even today has only a tiny number of people living there, and most of them down in Perth.

A number of times I was off somewhere alone and I swear you could feel the age of the place through your feet! At one point I had to take a leak while we were travelling down the Gibb River Road, which cuts right through the Kimberley plateau ( http://www.yourguidetravelaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gibb-river-road.jpg ), and is a mostly unsurfaced road that leads off from the already isolated main highway into the some beautifully stark places. It was intensely hot, just sand underfoot, I could hear insects all around me, none of the plantlife was above waiste height, and in the distance was a rock formation that had once been a coral reef. It was like a gigantic wall (I so want to say cyclopian) getting taller as it disappeared into the distance and I was blown away by how long it would've taken the coral to build it, then for the ocean it was in to dry up, then for the plants and animals to colonise the area again. HPL would've loved it.

This was around the same time we visited the place where the stromatolites have lived for the last 3500 million years! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
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« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2012, 08:49:46 PM »

OK, I think I've sorted it out. Lovecraft used Mathew's "Eaglehawk and Crow" rather than the other book which mentions Buddai, "Queensland, Australia." I'll make it as brief as possible, and there will be pictures.

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Glad I was able to source the book for you there.  Smiley

I took a break from my mad gibbering scribbles to read the chapter on the aborigines in "Queensland, Australia" and I am working my way through "Eaglehawk and Crow"

I think you might be right, but I do feel it should be noted that there seem be some parallels in "Queensland, Australia" with SOOT.  John Dunmore Lang (JDL) does discuss the aborigines' belief in reincarnation or doctrine of transmigration of the soul, a variation of the idea of reincarnation is the central theme of SOOT.  There are others, but I want to read the rest of E&C before I really stick my neck out.  Smiley
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« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2012, 09:19:02 PM »

I did some additional research/reading and the reference to “Buddai” most likely originated from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.  I was able to find the 1894 edition through google books and it mentions “Buddai” quite clearly.  

“The only idea of a god known to be entertained by these people is that of Buddai, a gigantic old man lying asleep for ages, with his head resting upon his arm, which is deep in the sand.  He is expected one day to awake and eat up the world.  They have no religion beyond those gloomy dreams.”  -Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1894.

In Joshi's “Lovecraft's Library: A Catalogue,”  HPL quite clearly did own the EB; his edition was published in 1896 and was used for reference in a number of his stories; I think it is safe to assume that the entry on Australia for 1894 is similar to the 1896 edition as I checked the entries about Australia in the 1878 and 1902 editions and the reference to “Buddai,” Grey and Eyre were the same.  (old book,  I do think the catalogue of Lovecraft's Library is incomplete; something Joshi does indicate as well.)
 
After some additional reading to confirm for myself the likelihood that HPL did use the EB, it is pretty clear HPL became increasingly aware of the limitations of the EB, despite his frequent use of it as a resource for his fiction; he is documented in letters asking for good occult texts that he could use as reference since he found the EB lacking.  By the time he had written Shadow Out of Time, he most probably would have looked for additional texts on Australia to help flesh out the descriptions of Australia for his writing.   I am able to prove that there is a slight, but tangible link to Lang, but not to Mathew.

The 1894 EB entry for Australia, mentions two sources for information on the aborigines.  Sir George Grey and John Eyre both headed expeditions to explore the western part of Australia and published books on their experiences.   Dr. Rev. Lang is mentioned briefly in an article about Queensland.  I am fairly comfortable this is the same Lang who wrote “Queensland, Australia,” as apparently John Dunmore Lang was considered to be a bit of activist and it is in the context of activism he is mentioned under the Queensland entry.   I find it interesting to note that until the last half of the 19th century, western Australia was really one of the last great unexplored lands of the world.  I can understand why HPL would place his story here.

Neither Eyre or Grey mention “Buddai;” despite this, both men go into considerable detail regarding the life, beliefs, and culture of the aborigines.  However, Grey did correspond with John Dunmore Lang about his thoughts on the aboriginal ideas of property and possessions and the letter from Lang is included in volume 2 of the books authored by Grey.   More importantly, though Mathew does mention “Buddai,” he omits the description of  Buddai waking up to devour the world, a point that both the EB and Lang include.

I also can't find any reference to Mathew in the relevant books by Grey, Eyre & Lang; despite this, Mathew mentions all three individuals in his book “Eaglehawk and Crow.”

In comparing SOOT with “Queensland, Australia” and “Eaglehawk and Crow” there are number of parallels; some of these could very well be coincidence, but they are interesting and I think worthy of discussion.

The basic premise of SOOT is the idea that the Great Race can send their souls across the great reaches of time and space to inhabit the bodies of other races; while the souls of the other races are then sent back to inhabit the bodies of the Great Race.  I don't think that it is a stretch that HPL may have been inspired by the idea of reincarnation.  Both “Queensland, Australia” and “Eaglehawk and Crow” discuss this, but Lang discusses this in much more detail.

“I had not been long in New South Wales when I had reason to believe, that some such doctrine as the famous oriental doctrine of the metempsychosis, or transmigration of souls, was generally received and held among the aborigines. In talking on the subject, however, with a number of intelligent persons throughout the colony, I found that it was the general belief of such persons that the idea had originated with their convict-servants, who, with no object whatever but merely to practise on the credulity of the natives, had persuaded them, in the convict-slang of the times, that 'black fellows, when they died, would jump up or rise again, white fellows, and that white fellows would jump up black fellows.'* I was satisfied with this explanation for a time; but I found, at length, that it was not satisfactory, as at different periods in the history of the colony, and in widely distant localities, particular white men had been recognised (or, at least, supposed to be so) by the blacks, as deceased black men, whom they knew and named, returned to life again; and the feeling with which they were known to regard such persons convinced me that the idea had not originated with the convicts at all.  Shortly after the first settlement of New South Wales, a runaway convict, of the name of Wilson, who had lived for years
among the aborigines, was supposed, by the tribe in which he was naturalised, to be a particular deceased native, whom it seems he resembled, and whose mother was then living, returned to life  again. The poor old woman believed it herself, and adopted the runaway as her son ; and as Wilson, who, it appears, was an artful fellow, found it his interest to keep up the delusion, he was at no pains to undeceive her.
In September, 1790, five convicts seized a small boat, with the intention of escaping, if possible, from the colony; but after suffering much hardship and privation, they were at length driven ashore at Port Stephen, about 100 miles to the northward of Sydney. They were kindly received by the natives, and, as
Colonel Collins informs us,* on their own authority, — for it appears they were discovered, and brought back to Sydney, several years thereafter — " they were never required to go out on any occasion of hostility, and were, in general, supplied by the natives with fish, or other food. They told us that the natives appeared to worship them, often assuring them, when they began to understand each other, that they were, undoubtedly, the ancestors of some of them who had fallen in battle, and had returned from the sea to visit them again ; and one native appeared firmly to believe, that his father was come back in the person of either Lee or Connoway (two of the number), and took him to the spot where his body had been burned. On being told that immense numbers of people existed far beyond their little knowledge, they instantly pronounced them to be the spirits of their countrymen, which, after death, had migrated into other regions."*”
” -Lang, “Queensland, Australia”

“Prof. W. B. Spencer and Mr. Gillen have brought to light certain most interesting particulars regarding the totemism of the Arunta tribe of central Australia — notably, (i)f that totems are attached to localities, the totem of a child being determined by the place at which it was conceived. The reason given for this is that in the Alcheringa (a mythical period) one of the beast-man ancestors died at that spot; his spirit still dwells there, and enters into such women as conceive there, coming to life anew in the child ; the tree or rock which the spirit-child is supposed to have inhabited before conception is called its * nanja' tree or rock.” -Mathew, “Eaglehawk and Crow”

In SOOT, Peaslee discusses several aspects of the Great Race.  The Great Race does practice infanticide, and infanticide is mentioned in passing by Lang and Mathew.  The Great Race is loath to mention the Yithians in anything but the vaguest of references: “Members of the Great Race never intentionally referred to the matter, and what could be gleaned came only from some of the more sharply observant captive minds.”  I find this oddly reminiscent of the aboriginal practice of not mentioning the deceased by name; and again, both men discuss this practice.

Peaslee goes into great detail about the society of the Great Race, but not once does he discuss their religion.  A lack of religious belief appears to serve the purpose of underscoring the idea this Great Race is so well grounded in knowledge and science; it has no need for any gods.  
Lang has a similar regard for the aborigines, “The subject of religion, however interesting and important, is one upon which, unfortunately, there is little to be said in reference to the aborigines of Australia, and that little is entirely in the form of negation. They have no idea of a supreme divinity,
the creator and governor of the world, the witness of their actions, and their future judge. They have no object of worship, even of a subordinate and inferior rank. They have no idols, no temples, no sacrifices.  In short, they have nothing whatever of the character of religion, or of religious observance, to distinguish them from the beasts that perish. They live “without God in the world.””  

Although Lang disputes the assertion made by Forster about the indigenous tribes found on Tierra del Fuego, Forster's description sounds much like some descriptions used by HPL, “To the south of the straits of  Magalhaens, or Tierra del Fuego, are a tribe of people apparently much debased or degenerated from those nations which live on the continent. We found them to be a short, squat race, with large heads; their colour yellowish brown, the features harsh, the face broad, the cheek-bones high and prominent, the nose flat, the nostrils and mouth large, and the whole countenance without meaning.”  
In both SOOT and Polaris, HPL makes reference to the “squat yellow Inutos,”  and “the Inutos; squat, hellish, yellow fiends who five years ago had appeared out of the unknown west ...”  I am aware the link is weak here and the reference to squat yellow races may just be coincidence.  Another interesting coincidence is Lang's mention of Dagon more than once.

Despite my inability to find anything more that a tenuous thread of a link, “Eaglehawk and Crow” does share some tantalizing parallels to SOOT that are separate and distinct from “Queensland, Australia.”  Old book found some interesting things in regards in Mathew's description of aboriginal cave art and their similarity to descriptions of the Great Race in SOOT.  The location of one cave does not seem accidental when compared to the coordinates described in SOOT.  Mathew does spend some time discussing several examples of prehistoric aboriginal art, a few of which also appear to include a strange form of writing that Mathew believed he deciphered and may have also been of inspiration to HPL.  Of the cave art discussed by Mathew, their locations fall within Latitude 15° 20' South and Latitude 20° 37' South; and within Longitude 117° 14' East and Longitude 125° 36' East.  It does not seem a coincidence that HPL places the mythical ruins of the Great Race at 22° 3' 14" South Latitude, 125° 0' 39" East Longitude, but rather that he placed the ruins of his fictional story intentionally to give his fiction a feeling of even more authenticity.
 
Additionally, Mathew discusses aboriginal myths that bear some similarity to the description of the Yithians in SOOT.  In SOOT, “According to these scraps of information, the basis of the fear was a horrible elder race of half-polypous, utterly alien entities which had come through space from immeasurably distant universes and had dominated the earth and three other solar planets about 600 million years ago. They were only partly material - as we understand matter - and their type of consciousness and media of perception differed widely from those of terrestrial organisms. For example, their senses did not include that of sight; their mental world being a strange, non-visual pattern of impressions.”

The aboriginal myth of the Alcheringa Period is startlingly similar in that it refers to a group of shadowy beings that are not fully physical:  “The Arunta tribe in central Australia have an intensely interesting myth about the ' Alcheringa/* the earliest period to which their traditions refer. "At the very beginning of this there were no true human beings such as now exist but only ' Inapertwa,' that is, almost shapeless beings in which just the vague outlines of the different limbs and parts of the body could be detected. Two spirit beings who lived far away in the western sky and who were called ' Ungamb!kulla, , a word which signifies ' made out of nothing,' or ' self-existing/ came down to earth and transformed the Inapertwa creatures into men and
women."”
Another relevant passage can be found in discussion of the ghosts of the aborigines residing below ground level:  “A ghost was called a ' shadow,' and the conception of its existence was shadowy like itself. A general feature of Australian mythology is the peopling of deep waterholes with indescribable spirits.”
At least, from what I have reviewed, it appears that both Lang and Mathew were likely secondary resources for HPL in addition to the Ecyclopaedia Britannica.  I am at a disadvantage, I do not have access to the huge volumes of correspondence that exist from Lovecraft and his circle to confirm this, however, it is plausible that HPL could have come across Lang from a reference in Grey's book as mentioned in EB, and I am able to prove that the link exists.  Mathew remains more a challenge for me, how HPL may have come into contact with his book remains unknown, but Mathew does cite three of the authors mentioned previously and that may provide the link needed; and the information provide by old book is worth note and I strongly feel has great value in any discussion regarding SOOT, as well as to help prove that HPL used Mathew as a resource.
References:
Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1894
archive.org id: encyclopaediabri03kell
http://books.google.com/books?id=fmBJAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Queensland, Australia, John Dunmore Lang
archive org id: queenslandaustr00langgoog
http://www.archive.org/details/queenslandaustr00langgoog

Eaglehawk and Crow, John Matthew
archive.org id: eaglehawkandcro00mathgoog
http://www.archive.org/details/eaglehawkandcro00mathgoog

Journals of Two Expeditions of Discovery in North-West and Western Australia, v.2, George Grey
http://freeread.com.au/ebooks/e00055.html

Journals of Expeditions of Discovery into Central Australia, etc., Volume 1 and 2, John Eyre
http://freeread.com.au/ebooks/e00048.html

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« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2012, 09:46:20 PM »


I did some additional research/reading and the reference to “Buddai” most likely originated from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Wouldn't be the first time. Didn't he lift the little black magic incantation from "The Horror at Red Hook" directly from EB?
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I did some additional research/reading and the reference to “Buddai” most likely originated from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Wouldn't be the first time. Didn't he lift the little black magic incantation from "The Horror at Red Hook" directly from EB?

Yeppers.  I believe it was after he wrote Red Hook he realized he needed better resources on the occult than what was afforded to him through the EB.  Both Joshi and Harms discuss the incident, but Harms quotes a letter to Clark Ashton Smith asking for recommendations on magical texts.  I don't think it is a stretch that to say HPL was smart enough to realize he would need to do this on all topics he felt deficient in, not just the occult or magic subjects. 
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« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2012, 02:05:26 AM »

Such scholastic joy on this thread! You guys rock balls.
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« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2012, 06:32:21 PM »

Wow, starblazie, so he could've used all three as sources, plus the EB? If it were a long-term obsession, perhaps he consulted a newer EB at the New York Public Library, and perhaps that article mentioned Mathew in the footnotes, and he took notes for later, which he used to write SOOT very many years after he had left New York? The ex libris of the Mathew book I downloaded says it is from University of Michigan, so there were copies in the USA.

On the Tierra del Fuego passage, that caught my eye, too. If you combine that with descriptions of the Eskimo and perhaps NW Coast Salish or Tlingit, HP could model a "Turanian" race who were squat and "yellow-brown" living on the various fringes. And HPL puts his Inutos sometimes in the extreme south, and sometimes in the extreme north, if I remember right.

On Buddai's repose, if you sort of squint at the area of Western Australia around the coordinates for "Pnakotus" as Lin Carter later named the library-city, and ignore the place-names and just take in the physical relief, it's easy to imagine a guy sleeping with one arm strewn above his head toward the north coast.

I find the correlations between the description of the woman-inside-a-kangaroo cave painting and the Great Race too close to be a coincidence. Mathew supposedly deciphered the script above some of the other paintings as Sumatran I think, a Sumatran script for one of the Malay languages, right? That script does look very "cosmic" like something an alien might scrawl onto a rock face, say, an alien ca. 1974 or so. Almost "Klingon." And the Inuktikut syllabic script looks similarly "alien" like something you'd read on the side of a flying saucer.

On metempsychosis and all that jazz, it's a bit too general of a concept for me to think HP needed to take it directly from "Queensland, Australia." It seems like the bit about Buddai eating the world is an extrapolation of the myth that if he awoke and rolled over again, it would spell the end of the "blackfellows," at least locally.

Spirits of the dead or just spirits in water holes and a dark cthonic race slumbering under "Pnakotus" are not neccessarily connected, because this is sort of a common device in mythology and dreams and weird tales. It goes with the idea of "little people" living on the fringes, and "Turanian races" as well, I suppose. The other side of it is its emotional value in dreams of a personal nature where something wells up from beneath a foundation, usually signifying the emergence of previously-unconscious material in the psyche. What might be interesting is to compare the architecture in SOOT and HPL's Outsider. The same image of massive stones covering up portals to deeper and darker realms is used several times in DQ/UK. I believe HPL approaches those barriers from both sides, at various times, expressing a sort of sympathy for the beings on both sides of the barriers. If you take that idea further, could it be that the dark forces under "Pnakotus" set to destroy the Great Race--and who presumably did--were actually some sort of very ancient humans with fully-developed powers, third eyes, telekinesis, whatever? Or does the legend of Buddai tell us these beings are dangerous and even fatal to mankind?

Stellar work, starblazie. I know it's difficult without having access to more sources, but you've made great discoveries! Keep it up!
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