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Author Topic: Episodes 84-88 - The Shadow Over Innsmouth  (Read 17736 times)
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« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2011, 11:49:06 PM »

"... and they got this jewelry with mahnsters on 'em!"

... I guess I just imagine Zadok belching a lot more when he's talking ...

Love this episode, love this story, love you guys - thanks for podcasting Smiley

Keeps me sane at work. Mostly sane. Sane-er.

Let me just also say that I am thrilled to have Doctor "Wild Bob" Price on the show again. He's a hoot. I've been listening to his Bible Geek podcast as well, which has the occasional HPL question / reference. And he also does a mean Darth Vader.

... I now want a map of Innsmouth stupid bad. I spent all evening Google Image Searching for maps & charts of Newburyport & Gloucester.


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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2011, 03:10:32 AM »

I just took that quiz, hsparks.

It said: "You could take on 23 five year old kids in a fight."
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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2011, 08:10:43 AM »

I love this Deep One Tiara :


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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2011, 08:17:19 AM »

I just took that quiz, hsparks.

It said: "You could take on 23 five year old kids in a fight."

It just sent me to a search engine page instead of giving me my score. Sad

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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2011, 10:04:20 AM »


CthulhuChick, thanks for the pic and the link.

It took no excessive sensitiveness to beauty to make me literally gasp at the strange, unearthly splendour of the alien, opulent phantasy that rested there on a purple velvet cushion...
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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2011, 10:28:41 AM »

I agree that it is kind of tragic the way some of the residents of Innsmouth are still trying to ware clothes as if they are human.  What I always wondered is, are Deep Ones simply humans that turned into what they are now, just like the townsfolk of Innsmouth, or are there 'pure' Deep Ones and then the hybrids - being those that used to be human.  If so, I wonder if there is any form of class devision, like the hybrids have to do the jobs like cleaning the toilets while the true Deep Ones just lounge about eating fish?

That's an excellent point!  I guess I'd always just assumed that there were "pure" Deep Ones and the hybrids were necessary to their plan because the original Deep Ones couldn't hack it on land for very long.  Of course, there's nothing in the story to support that supposition.  That's just my own interpretation.

On a more serious note, the reason I wonder about this is due to the difficulty they seem to have with their movement and general mobility.  Many of them seem to be moving in different ways.  Does the mutation effect different people slightly differently?

I'd always thought the author was describing people in different stages of degeneration.  Though now I like the idea that the mutation varies from person to person, 'cause that's a lot scarier!

I always kind of assumed that in fact, we never actually get to see a 'pure' Deep One.  I think the 'pure' Deep Ones would be just as adept on land as they are in the sea.

Yeah, I think you're right that we never get to see an "original."  But I'd assumed just the opposite about them vis the land/sea mobility thing. 


When I first read The Shadow Over Innsmouth, the word that came to mind as I read of the narrator's gradual acceptance of his hideous ancestry and then his desire to join them, having pretty much become one, was, 'monstrous' - in a good way.  It was just so disturbing and scary, the way he was at first repulsed by what he found in Innsmouth, only to later discover that he was a part of it.  I never considered the idea that the ending was, in a way, a happy one, for the narrator at least, but yes, I can understand why that could be seen as the case.

I'd never thought the fate of the narrator was a good one, either.  I mean, he can't stop the change and he can't bring himself to suicide - so it's a lose/lose situation and in the end it drives him mad.  After the change, I'd thought there might be some little part of him, trapped in his own head, so to speak, screaming through eternity in the lightless depths.  Or possibly I'm just morbid.   Cheesy

Yet again, I feel I should bring up the Dark Adventure Radio Theatre radio adaptation of this story, as they handle the ending really well.

DART does a first-rate job as usual, and the props are especially good in this one, but personally I prefer the Atlanta Radio Theatre version.  Harlan Ellison's portrayal of Zadok Allen is spot on and the company does an opening and closing chant that's genuinely chilling.
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« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2011, 12:35:29 PM »

I just took that quiz, hsparks.

It said: "You could take on 23 five year old kids in a fight."

20.  Sad You beat me.
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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2011, 12:58:15 PM »

No idea how many five-year-olds, I'll say between 5 and 10. William S Burroughs has those fake children in Cities of the Red Night who seem particularly nasty. And then there's all those old fairy stories, those things are really small but seem to manage serious abductions of big people.

When I was thinking about Sich's thought experiment concerning five-year-olds, it came to me that I once read in a book about botany how very many plants have juvenile leaf forms and habits that differ substantially from adult forms. Eucalypts are a good example. The Innsmouth crowd seem to have this same propensity, the adult forms are more saline frog-like while the juvenile forms look like us. There is some deep evolutionary meaning to all this, I'm sure.

Regarding the Shoggoths, I just assumed the Innsmouth Deepers were placidly awaiting the end of Prohibition and planned to ship out bottled Shoggoth as a sort of proxy army, since they seem so busy back in their town doing rites, shuffling around and giving one another the fish-eye. You have to suppose the night life really happens out at Devil Reef as a sort of shallow and superficial breeding ground, maybe even an underwater discotheque in the late 70s: "Do the Shuffle" and "She's Got the Look," the disco-ball litten grottoes, and the next morning the empty plastic beer cups and condoms coalesce into small floating islands...

Frogs don't really live in salt water, though, do they?
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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2011, 01:14:41 PM »

Ok, finally got the pop-up to work. I can take 23 5-year-olds and 28 90-year-olds. Of course, they didn't as about special lovcraftian training or mutations, but what the heck.

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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2011, 01:30:38 PM »

Q. What clever slang-like phrase do you use as you punch out a squishy Deep One?

A. In your mouth, sucka! (Try to sound like Mr. T, too)
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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2011, 06:45:04 PM »

I have to admit, as much as I love the story, I have problems with the ending. It just seems so contrived. I mean, what are the odds? Finding a town full of the Creature From the Black Lagoon's friends and family is wild enough, but to find out later that you're one of them just goes too far, in my opinion. It's too big a coincidence to swallow.

I can just hear Robert Olmstead's thoughts:
"Wait a second, so not only are the seas teeming with blasphemous fish-frogs, but they've taken over a New England town? And they can breed with humans? And my great-grandmother was one of them? What?"

It's like finding out that Ammi Pierce's dad was a meteorite.  Grin
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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2011, 06:57:10 PM »

Was just in Gloucester on Tuesday, collecting live specimens for the museum where I work. At Folly Cove, we found a LOT of VERY large crabs who appeared to be in the midst of mating season. Creeped me the hell out. Huge invertebrates always do that to me.

I love "Shadow Over Innsmouth." It is by far my favorite Lovecraft tale, and I've enjoyed all four episodes. I don't really need the padding with all the music, though it is nice once in a while. But I am really excited, since this is my favorite story and all, that this is the first tale to get its own post mortem/debriefing. Can't wait!
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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2011, 07:14:46 PM »

I love this Deep One Tiara :

I'm like 90% sure that's the artwork the HPLHS used for the postcard that comes with the DART Shadow Over Innsmouth CD.
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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2011, 07:38:53 PM »

"... but just the same the Marshes still keep on buying a few of those native trade things—mostly glass and rubber gewgaws, they tell me."

Obviously dildos, probably left over from the smutty version of the story. Editorial fatigue, ya know.


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« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2011, 07:58:54 PM »

I have always liked this story, and now that I've re-read it and listened to the podcast episodes discussing it (I have to concur with everyone else here, great job guys, I've been laughing out loud on the commuter train), I have a theory about the biology of the Deep Ones.

We know that they live "forever", barring accident/murder/whatever, so they don't need to reproduce very often to maintain population size. What if the interbreeding with humans is, in fact, the only breeding they do? They only breeding they can do, even. Perhaps their species co-evolved with humans, and through some evolutionary quirk over millennia they lost the ability to reproduce on their own. In which case they are completely dependent on humanity. This would explain the apparent imbalance in the "trade", where the Deep Ones receive trinkets/sacrifices/"entertainment" in exchange for swarms of fish and freaking GOLD. The Deep Ones are probably doing a lot of work to bring all the fish, let alone manufacture jewelry.

This would also explain the story's conjecture that the Deep Ones could destroy mankind but have "no interest" in doing so. Indeed, it would be completely against their own self-interest to destroy the species they need to breed with.

This even suggests a non-ritualistic use for the human sacrifices they get: Perhaps they need human bodies for surgical purposes, to heal wounded individuals or transplant organs or whatnot.
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