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« Reply #225 on: June 19, 2012, 08:10:06 PM » |
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They just got together for fish flash mob, Obed school. A House party R'lyeh coast style!
Just remember to be pouring out some Clamato for your anchovies that didn't mutate it, Iä-o!
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This is probably a really bad sign.
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Bulbatron
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« Reply #226 on: June 20, 2012, 10:32:08 AM » |
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Wow, are they really real, or his the picture been photoshopped?
I was listening to the DART adaptation of The Shadow Over Innsmouth the other day, and I was wondering if HPLHS will do a film version one day. Seems to be it would take quite a lot of doing.
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« Reply #227 on: June 20, 2012, 02:51:54 PM » |
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Wow, are they really real, or his the picture been photoshopped?
I was listening to the DART adaptation of The Shadow Over Innsmouth the other day, and I was wondering if HPLHS will do a film version one day. Seems to be it would take quite a lot of doing.
They're real, and they're fishermen. They have names, and vessels. |
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We live on a placid Rhode Island and Providence Plantations of ignorance in the midst of the black seas of an infinity of dark foreigners, and it was not meant that we should voyage too far.
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« Reply #228 on: June 20, 2012, 02:56:01 PM » |
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Flash-mobs were first suggested by Jean Shepherd on WOR radio in Newark in 1965. Just sayin.
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We live on a placid Rhode Island and Providence Plantations of ignorance in the midst of the black seas of an infinity of dark foreigners, and it was not meant that we should voyage too far.
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Bulbatron
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« Reply #229 on: June 20, 2012, 05:14:34 PM » |
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Wow, are they really real, or his the picture been photoshopped?
I was listening to the DART adaptation of The Shadow Over Innsmouth the other day, and I was wondering if HPLHS will do a film version one day. Seems to be it would take quite a lot of doing.
They're real, and they're fishermen. They have names, and vessels. Oh, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic with my question, and I didn't mean to be nasty. My apologies if it came out that way. Trust me, if you knew what I looked like, I think you'd have some very serious questions about my own genetic lineage. |
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T. Kelly Lee
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« Reply #230 on: June 21, 2012, 10:06:20 AM » |
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Trust me, if you knew what I looked like, I think you'd have some very serious questions about my own genetic lineage.
Oh, yeah. I could ABSOLUTELY be Arthur Jermyn, no worries. My tailor assures me I have the strangest proportions he's ever seen. |
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T. Kelly Lee
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« Reply #231 on: June 21, 2012, 10:09:38 AM » |
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10 or 20 years ago, arguments for a pre-Clovis American culture were laughed at, as was the notion of H. sapiens interbreeding with Neanderthals.
Interesting you mention that - there's some AMAZING work going on in Maryland right now that indicates we have a VERY early human incursion into the New World. The archaeologists behind it are trying to argue an Atlantic arctic crossing, but I don't buy that. But the artifacts being discovered look like some stuff found in cetral Texas in the 50's that was totally dismissed as being ancient back in the day. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day someone turns up a Cro-magnon bone somewhere along the Atlantic coast. |
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« Reply #232 on: June 21, 2012, 01:04:09 PM » |
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Of course there were multiple paths to the New World at different times and places by different people. I don't have a problem with the interpretation of the find T. Kelly Lee mentions which has it that Stone Age (Upper Palaeolithic?) peoples skirted the edge of an ice sheet from about where France is all the way to Virginia. There is an explanation for the lack of archaeological evidence in the Aleutians and Alaska coinciding with the Inuit crossings and other earlier crossings as well which involves the idea that the cultures exploiting the resources in the area at that time pretty much followed the edge of the ice, where the meat was, as the ice margin moved all over the place. Cultures specifically adapted to that sort of hunting, whales and seals mainly I guess, could be expected on the Atlantic side as well during colder periods. The earliest identified DNA in Greenland seems to indicate a sort of palaeo-Siberian type individual, but that doesn't exclude incursions from Europe which haven't been found yet, although it might have been easier for Europeans to get to Virginia than Greenland during periods of heavy sea-ice.
It is interesting that France and Spain seem to be some sort of nexus, where Neanderthals and Homos lived close and whence some early Homos might have set out eventually reaching Virginia. On the other side of the world you find great human genetic diversity in Papua New Guinea and Borneo, and Papua/Irian Jaya also has some sort of higher frequency of Denisovan genes, which is the new "other" advanced human known from a single finger-bone joint found in Denisova cave I guess somewhere near the Altai mountains in Siberia. The "hobbit" people called Homo florensis for now even though we're not quite sure thay aren't Homo sapiens are also right there on the coast of Papua basically. So there you have Neanderthal, Homo and Denisovan genes in the populations and possibly a fourth "man" lurking in the background as the hobbit. Then you have "pygmies" separated by vast distances in Borneo and Central West Africa, presumably formerly inhabiting much larger territories and marginalized in early times.
Returning to New England, the Greenlandic sagas about the voyages to North America, probably Newfoundland but perhaps also as far south as Massachusetts, contain descriptions of very Eskimo-like natives there. Since that time the "Dorset" cultures in the Canadian Arctic have also been displaced and assimilated by the Inuit invasion. After Colombus the natives on the Atlantic coast were more Native American-type cultures than Eskimo. Did things change that swiftly? I think the story might be that the Atlantic coast of North America is subject to giant tidal waves at times which wreak destruction and leave small pockets of people alive at higher elevations, and the emptied territory is rapidly reoccupied by outside groups from the west. There are also all those tales of "grey-eyed Welsh-speaking Indians" and some interesting isolated groups up in the hills in Kentucky and Tennessee. There was almost certainly at least several African colonizations of North America before Columbus, and almost certainly parts of South America as well.
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We live on a placid Rhode Island and Providence Plantations of ignorance in the midst of the black seas of an infinity of dark foreigners, and it was not meant that we should voyage too far.
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« Reply #233 on: June 21, 2012, 01:07:36 PM » |
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Oh, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic with my question, and I didn't mean to be nasty. My apologies if it came out that way.
Trust me, if you knew what I looked like, I think you'd have some very serious questions about my own genetic lineage.
No worries, Bulby, I didn't take it as sarcastic or nasty. They are real people, they're fishermen from Greenland, and they're posing, their other pictures make them seem rather normal and not at all frog-like. I debated going back and looking them up and providing their names, just to prove they are real. I decided it wasn't worth it, no one cares, and they probably don't need that kind of publicity, they just wanna fish and sell their catch and not be bothered by the man, presumably. |
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We live on a placid Rhode Island and Providence Plantations of ignorance in the midst of the black seas of an infinity of dark foreigners, and it was not meant that we should voyage too far.
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Bulbatron
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« Reply #234 on: June 21, 2012, 02:23:04 PM » |
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It certainly shows how diverse we are as a species.
Often in science fiction, when a non-human species is shown, one individual will look quite similar to another. Take Star Trek, as an easy example. The Klingons all have the long hair, the ridged foreheads and the dark skin. Same for Vulcans, they all have the same - or similar - hair. EDITED TO INCLUDE: Thinking about it, Star Trek Voyager had a black Vulcan, and I think their skin tone did vary throughout the history of Star Trek.
I don't know, perhaps they're trying to make a point that everybody is different, in spite of outside appearances. I seem to remember that there was once this rather racist viewpoint regarding Chinese people, that supposedly - they all look the same. This is bollocks, of course, but I remember that being a sentiment - though I was still young when that was the case. Not sure what point I'm trying to make actually - except I suppose to say that the Chinese, or any other group of people, are just one variation on a much larger overall species which covers the whole planet. You can even see some variation even within one family.
It's strange to think that although most people think of humankind as having descended from primates, really we all descended from the sea. Come to think of it, I suppose it isn't that strange at all. I suppose that you could argue that every creature on Earth is related to every other creature on Earth.
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« Reply #235 on: June 21, 2012, 02:25:40 PM » |
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I'd like to point out real quick that those fishermen in the photo are making funny faces for the camera. That's not really what they look like, they're just stretching their bottom lips up over their noses.
Wasn't sure if everyone caught that.
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« Reply #236 on: June 21, 2012, 02:28:07 PM » |
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I must admit, I didn't realise that at all. Feel like a bit of a tit, now.
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Inner Prop
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« Reply #237 on: June 22, 2012, 07:21:13 AM » |
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I must admit, I didn't realise that at all. Feel like a bit of a tit, now.
;Hmm, I feel like a bit of a tit or two myself. |
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« Reply #238 on: June 22, 2012, 10:18:22 AM » |
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Yeah, they're "pulling faces" or "mugging" for the camera, depending on your favourite brand of English. I seem to remember they have very Danish sounding names. "Skygge pa Inuismuit"...
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We live on a placid Rhode Island and Providence Plantations of ignorance in the midst of the black seas of an infinity of dark foreigners, and it was not meant that we should voyage too far.
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Eric Lofgren
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« Reply #239 on: June 22, 2012, 12:14:13 PM » |
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They look like Inuit, or should I say the cursed Esqumaux!!! If you have false teeth (upper and lower probably) and take them out you can do what they are doing. The distance you lower jaw can travel becomes quite a bit when you have no teeth obstructing it's motion. Please note that I have all my original teeth  |
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