Mike J.
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« Reply #180 on: September 07, 2011, 08:19:11 PM » |
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Would you say he was a ... smooth operator?
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fubarinpittsburgh
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« Reply #181 on: September 08, 2011, 02:20:35 PM » |
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Are you certain Lovecraft didn't think much about the natives? He gives them sort of a prime place in He, even if only as ghosts (or ghost dancers, following up on the Wallace theme).
Native Americans are a minimal and shadowy presence to Lovecraft's imagination. He preferred to people his surroundings with transplanted Old World myths, more recent colonial folklore from after the time the Indians have supposedly disappeared, or cosmic fantasies. To be honest I was nervous when I went into some of Lovecrafts work that mentioned Native Americans. But in the end, the treatment of Native Americans in his work was not nearly as repugnant as the treatment they received in the typical "cow boy" tales of the same era. |
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Bob Lovecraft
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« Reply #182 on: September 08, 2011, 03:03:13 PM » |
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Yeah, but I think that is more a matter of Lovecraft finding them below mention than actually trying to handle them better than other writers. He seems to have a real problem with Indians for some reason.  Bob |
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« Reply #183 on: September 08, 2011, 11:29:54 PM » |
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Lovecraft presents a tableau of "natives" in Call of Cthulhu, and one gets the sense he is really trying to tie them all together into some sort of Turanian substratum who instinctually understand the lines from the fictitious language.
Yes, though his artistic "civilized" folk get it too, as well as the insane, with scientists getting it slightly as well. Basically everyone except "sensible, respectable" people. I read or heard something recently, can't remember what, that suggested that de Castro was not an influence on the Castro of The Call of Cthulhu. Will chew over the other stuff. |
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« Reply #184 on: September 09, 2011, 04:11:53 PM » |
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It's funny, there's an apocryphal story from the Kennedy assassination files (unofficial) about Fidel Castro visiting the Louisiana bayou country. It's completely possible de Castro was not the influence for Castro I'm not very sure of all this myself and haven't read enough of his correspondence to get a good idea of how he felt about Native Americans. I'm leaning toward the Greenland lost Norse colony thing as a source of inspiration for Innsmouth right now, but it's a pet theory and it too shall pass.
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Boneworm
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« Reply #185 on: September 19, 2011, 09:19:56 PM » |
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Hey, an interesting little tidbit! I found the source for some of the intro audio from the Innsmouth episodes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKs1-fwTgUI'm sure you all remember the Humboldts from back in the early episodes.  |
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fubarinpittsburgh
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« Reply #186 on: September 23, 2011, 10:33:36 AM » |
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Question, and if anyone brought this up already I apologize. Has anyone ever found any link between this story and The Creature From The Black Lagoon films?
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« Reply #187 on: October 10, 2011, 06:01:10 AM » |
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I assume you mean above and beyond the obvious. But, no, I can't say I was aware of any other links. But then I didn't know there were any other Creature from the Black Lagoon films other than the black and white original.
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Bob Lovecraft
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« Reply #188 on: October 10, 2011, 08:47:43 AM » |
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You mean there's ore than just that one? Cool! I somehow doubt that anyone took Lovecraft into account for an inspiration for the Creature. It seems to me like someone just wanted a new monster and thought of Fishman instead of Wolfman. At least that was always how I thought of it. That having been said, I haven't seen the movie in MANY years, so I may very well be forgetting relevant data.
Bob
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« Reply #189 on: October 10, 2011, 08:58:35 AM » |
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Yep, there are three films: The Creature From the Black Lagoon, Revenge of the Creature (featuring Clint Eastwood's first screen appearance as "Scientist #2"), and The Creature Walks Among Us.
Revenge is a fine sequel, even without Julia Adams's legs. TCWAU kind of sucks.
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« Reply #190 on: October 20, 2011, 08:32:24 AM » |
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Revenge of the Creature was also once on MST3K. And if you are going to watch that film, watch that cut.
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« Reply #191 on: October 21, 2011, 04:40:16 PM » |
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Revenge of the Creature was also once on MST3K. And if you are going to watch that film, watch that cut.
That's the only one I've seen. Clint Eastwood's brief and surprising appearance is still the best part. Richard Agar is such an annoying presence as the lead, and moving the Creature out of the Amazon and into "Sea World" ends up being pretty lame. |
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« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2011, 04:44:22 PM » |
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Taken together, Creature From the Black Lagoon and Revenge of the Creature add up to a pretty cool King Kong remake.
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Bob Lovecraft
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« Reply #193 on: October 24, 2011, 09:09:37 AM » |
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Taken together, Creature From the Black Lagoon and Revenge of the Creature add up to a pretty cool King Kong remake.
Huh, I can see that angle. Now I just need to get the MST3K version, and I'll be good to go. Bob |
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« Reply #194 on: October 24, 2011, 01:25:31 PM » |
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It's probably on demonoid. Which remake of King Kong, btw, the de Lauretis one or 9/11?
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